mobow

What was the question again? [8D][&:]

Sylvan

Yes. I believe I understand your position quite accurately. Here are the points where I believe we disagree. Let me summarize and please correct me where I'm wrong.
1) You defend the blanket statement that carbon arrows are "not straight to start with". I say it's wrong and unqualified.
2) You don't agree that you can buy carbon arrows that meet equal to or tighter straightness tolerances than aluminum. I say you certainly can.
3) I believe that your straightness criteria of "straight means the arrow is still usable and within what most would consider a good arrow" is not adequate "for the purpose of this discussion". You obviously do.


Absolutely! Nothing is perfectly straight and therefore "bad" for straightness can only be determined relative to some criteria. So yes, it's absolutely true that an arrow can be "bad" or fail to pass one specification but be fine for a looser criteria. It's actually a pretty simple and common concept. That's how we ALL (including you) buy arrows. If you purchase arrows from the +/- .006 bin if you will, a good share of those arrows would be "bad" if your expectations were +/- .001 THerefore"bad"for 1 specification "good" for another. So if this is "semantics" then we all need to understand these "semantics" when we purchase arrows.
You wouldn't, that would be silly! If I just bought arrows that claimed to fall within a tolerance of +/- .001 and I could see they are warped I would take them back immediately and scream bloody murder until they replaced them with arrows that did meet the spec. This is little different to me than if I ordered arrows with 4" fletching and when I opened the box they were 3" fletches. They didn't deliver what they promised. To me, this is a totally differnt issue.

Sylvan

LOL, you got that right! It started as advice about switching to carbons but actually I think the current discussion about straightness specs is worthwhile. It's not possible to make good decisions when comparing one product to another if we don't understandimportant engineering specifications for that product. Straightness specs are a major driver in how arrows are priced and sold not to mention how they perform. It's not "semantics".

turtleshell

Is this the bowHUNTING forum. If so do thousandths of an inch matter for HUNTING purposes? I think the points being argued would really only affect worldclass archers, or pros, or someone who shoots great and is really anal. But I'm prolly just a dumb hick from NC so what do I know?[8D]

Sylvan

Good point turtleshell! This probably should be moved to the technical forum. Of course the decision to buy carbon or aluminum is certainly a decision hunters make and if straightness is important to you I guess it makes sense to understand what the advertised specs mean or don't mean.

burniegoeasily

I hunted with gamegetter 2216s for about 15 years. I switched to carbons about 6 years ago and am never going back. My favorite to date is carbon express. I like gold tips as well.

burniegoeasily

Just change your thinking turtleshell. "Do you like using alluminums or carbons for hunting"? I feel it is a very legit question for this forum. Because there is a big difference in shafts for target bows and hunting bows. My hunting bows use a little heavier carbon than I would for targets. Also, the life of a hunting shaft is much different than a targets. In that reguard I love carbons because of the number of animals you can take per shaft. Aluminums life is much shorter when you start putting them in animals. If you dont get a good pass through with an alluminum, the shaft will probably be toast.

Nord QC Bouman

Thanks to all you guys for the information and now see that I have many parameters to consider and will be looking into each when my range is clear of snow and mud.

bowtech die hard

I couldn't agree more with ya man.

Sylvan

Now that's not very nice, turtleshell is not a hick and he's definately not dumb! Guess he is from NC though. [8D]