mobow

Simply not true either. A Gold Tip Pro Hunter, according to their specs, has a straightness of .001. I do believe that's straighter than the GGII's .003.

Sylvan

Actually Butch, I'm not debating which is better. I agree totally with mobowhuntr when he said "I just don't understand how anybody can say carbon is BETTER than aluminum and aluminum is BETTER than carbon." I think each offer their advantages and disadvantages. I was only trying to dispell the myth that carbons aren't straight. For me personally, I made the switch to carbon and haven't regretted it for a second. But like I said in a prior post though, that might not be somebody else's experience and you should try them both yourself and make your own decision.

ButchA

Oh, I know... I like both and think both have their purposes. I shot XX75 2315's for years and thought they ruled the world. But once I switched to a lighter faster carbon arrow, everything changed for me, and I will never go back to pure aluminum.

Edit: I would like to try an A/C/C one of these days. I believe they are the straightest, best compromise, of any arrow. Sort of like the best of both worlds...

Sylvan

Me too. I've heard a lot of good things about them but just haven't got around to trying some yet.

Paul L Mohr

Well I will re word the point Arthur and I are making. For the money aluminum arrows are better than carbon arrows in tolerances and quality control. I have read numerous posts on this board and others like it about how someone got a dozen arrows and almost half were bad right from the box when they checked them. I have also seen if for myself. I have seen brand new GT's that were visably crooked when brand new.

I have never seen or heard of buying a dozen aluminum arrows irregardless of price that had half the lot be out of specs. I'm not saying it has never happened but the chances are much more slim than if you were buying bargain carbons. Personally I have never had any that one arrow was out of spec. And yes more expensive carbons are better because they get sorted better before you get them. I don't believe they are made any different, just checked better before you get them. They do the same thing with ACC's and other arrows.

As far as what the Pro's say, well I take that with a grain of salt. Some of the guys on this site know more about archery than these guys do. Being able to shoot well or be a good hunter has nothing to do with actual knowledge about the subject. I think I know the video you are talking about, and it's a good novice hunting guide, but I found many things that were just wrong when I watched it. I see the same thing when I watch some hunting videos, it just makes me laugh sometimes. With enough fletching and target tips you would be suprised what you can get away with as far arrows and poor tuning. I can shoot bent arrows reasonably well if my game is on. That doesn't make it a good arrow. And it certainly will not shoot that well with a fixed blade head on it.

Arrows don't last forever, they need to be changed now and then. Depending on what you shoot into and how you often you shoot some more often than others. Doesn't matter what kind of arrow you shoot. This is why they make millions of them a day.

Like I said in my first post though, most don't shoot well enough to notice a difference any way. I feel the same about super tunning a bow. Very few people actually shoot consistantly enough to make it effective. Most just waste time and stress themselves out needlessly. They would be better off spending the time practicing and working on their form. Like when people spend a few hundred bucks on the best arrows, a new drop a way rest and fancy sights hoping it will make them shoot better. I bet if they took the same amount of money and took some lessons from a good instructor they would get much better results.

Oops, I'm ranting, sorry.

Paul

Sylvan

Poor quality control and/or selling arrows that do not meet the advertised specification is not an intrinsic attribute of the material the arrow is made of but rather speaks to the integrity of the people guilty of it. You can't blame carbon or aluminum for that matter if someone sells you an arrow they claim meets a +/- 0.00x spec and it doesn't. You blame the person lying to you about it. +/- 0.00x means exactly that regardless of whether it is an aluminum or carbon arrow. Lying about it is a completely different issue. If the brand you are buying is as bad as you say then shame on you! Demand that it is rectified and/or start buying from a different manufacturer. Why accept such bad treatment?

As far as when you said "for the money", that's been my point all along. You can get carbon arrows that meet an equal or tighter spec than aluminum for a price. Are you trying to tell me now that you can't? The point I took issue with Arthur is when he made the blanket statement that carbon arrows are "not straight to start with". That is simply unqualified. Are you going to defend a blanket statement like that? That truly is, as Arthur says, silly! Even arrows you can see naked eye have bends in them are straight to someextent, even ifthe specis +/- 2.000".

GregH

I have shot with a couple of pro's, one of which was a two time world champion, who commonly rotated the nocks on their ACC's so the arrow wouldn't take a set from flexing the exact same way all the time. They also replaced their nocks quite often so the fit of the throat and the part inserted into the shaft remained consistantly snug. BTW, the fl. green nocks are the toughest, not as soft as the other colors. They remain the tightest fitting.

Paul L Mohr

At this point you are arguing semantics, not the actual point. Everyone here but you seems to know what we are talking about. For the purpose of our discussion straight means the arrow is still usable and within what most would consider a good arrow. Having an arrow that looks bent or warped to the naked eye is not a good arrow in anyones book, even though by some standards it may be straight. More accurately actually if you wanted to argue nothing is really straight, if you get anal enough about the measurement.

You are arguing something that has nothing to with the actual point and leading people away from what is important and what we are trying to point out. For what reason I don't know. The simple reality is many carbons are not as straight as aluminums right off the shelf, no matter what the spec is. This is why most suggest cutting them from both ends when you cut them to size.

Paul

Sylvan

Talking about straightness tolerances is anything but semantics. It's THE way to qualify and compare arrows regarding that property. Your criteria isn't very technical now is it? "For the purpose of our discussion straight means the arrow is still usable and within what most would consider a good arrow." That just isn't going to cut it when it comes to accurately determining if 1 arrow is more or less straight than another now is it? Kind of like "Gee Billy Bob, that arra looks more straighter to me than that other damned arra".

Well with the strightness critera you're using, I guess I'm not surprised that you would agree with a blanket statement that carbon arrows are "not straight to start with". Well sorry, but it's not good enough for me. I prefer to use engineering specifications and measurements to qualify any comparison.

Paul L Mohr

Is that what I said? I don't think it is. Don't make me out to be some sort of a hick because I am not. You are the one getting semantic about it and saying that even if it is bad it is still straight to some extent. While that may be true it really does not apply to what we are talking about. Of course you would need to measure them to compare them if you could not tell by looking at them. However if I can see that it is warped why would I waste the time measuring it? That makes little sense to me. Bad is bad, why do I care HOW bad it is?


Paul