More on 412 pound buck
02-13-2006, 08:53 AM
#21
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RE: More on 412 pound buck
The weight is more of a curiousity thing than "bragging rights." A cool story ... "Remember that horse of a deer that one guy arrowed ..."
One last comment. I don't know the whole story, nor do any of us, but it seems to me like the gentleman wasn't bragging it up and trying to do a media tour.
In fact, he took his sweet time stepping forward. So either he was perfecting his story - or didn't want to attract a lot of attention because of giving away his hunting grounds and because he figured he'd be criticized for not taking the proper steps to confirm his story.
I'm going with the latter and assuming like any hunter or fisherman, he embellished the story a little.
Congrats to him for the buck, no matter what the real story is.
One last comment. I don't know the whole story, nor do any of us, but it seems to me like the gentleman wasn't bragging it up and trying to do a media tour.
In fact, he took his sweet time stepping forward. So either he was perfecting his story - or didn't want to attract a lot of attention because of giving away his hunting grounds and because he figured he'd be criticized for not taking the proper steps to confirm his story.
I'm going with the latter and assuming like any hunter or fisherman, he embellished the story a little.
Congrats to him for the buck, no matter what the real story is.
02-13-2006, 08:59 AM
#22
Nontypical Buck
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RE: More on 412 pound buck
A couple of observations from an old coot who doesn't care if the deer weighed 400 lbs or 800 lbs.
First, it is not unusual for gases to "bloat" a deer (here in the midwest in November)after it has been shot and recovered the next day; I have seen it happen personallymany many times. When I saw the original thread my guess was that it wasn't recovered right away looking at the hair and the size of the paunch area. Also the shotlooked to be too far back from what I could tell.
No one holds their bow back for 10 minutes....unless they are under bowed...My guess is he is referring to the time as an expression of measurement. Much like we would say, "if I have told you once I have told you a thousand times don't play with matches!
The measuring issue.... There are charts that designate chest size with live weight.I know a number of people thatuse them as a way to get a handle on a bucks weight in absence of a scale. How accurate are they? I know not. As far as the bloating issue affecting the measurement; being that the swelling is farther back the effect would be minimal. What is more important is how the tape is ran. By that I mean loose, tight, straight, etc.
The pictures....I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They may not have followed the steps some others would have, but that is a personal thing. They could have thought this was just another big midwest deer until all the attention began pouring in who knows...who cares.
I will be the first to admit that photos can be some of the most deceiving things we look at. They can be manipulated in so many ways, even without photoshop.....
I submit exhibit A your honor......
....And Exhibit B.......
Were these photos "shopped"?????
First, it is not unusual for gases to "bloat" a deer (here in the midwest in November)after it has been shot and recovered the next day; I have seen it happen personallymany many times. When I saw the original thread my guess was that it wasn't recovered right away looking at the hair and the size of the paunch area. Also the shotlooked to be too far back from what I could tell.
No one holds their bow back for 10 minutes....unless they are under bowed...My guess is he is referring to the time as an expression of measurement. Much like we would say, "if I have told you once I have told you a thousand times don't play with matches!
The measuring issue.... There are charts that designate chest size with live weight.I know a number of people thatuse them as a way to get a handle on a bucks weight in absence of a scale. How accurate are they? I know not. As far as the bloating issue affecting the measurement; being that the swelling is farther back the effect would be minimal. What is more important is how the tape is ran. By that I mean loose, tight, straight, etc.
The pictures....I'm willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They may not have followed the steps some others would have, but that is a personal thing. They could have thought this was just another big midwest deer until all the attention began pouring in who knows...who cares.
I will be the first to admit that photos can be some of the most deceiving things we look at. They can be manipulated in so many ways, even without photoshop.....
I submit exhibit A your honor......
....And Exhibit B.......
Were these photos "shopped"?????
02-13-2006, 10:28 AM
#24
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RE: More on 412 pound buck
Only because I've seen it happen before....
... Are we sure this is the buck he shot? The photos I saw were from the rear of the animal, with no hint or indication of where the entrance or exit wounds were. I knew a guy who claimed he shot a buck and trailed it down, but when he was checking it in, the game warden was there and noticed it didnt have any holes in its sides. The warden estimated (from the stench and condition of the meat) it had been dead for several days, but the guy swore up and down he shot it the evening before and found it the next morning.
We always kidded him for scaring the buck to death.
... Are we sure this is the buck he shot? The photos I saw were from the rear of the animal, with no hint or indication of where the entrance or exit wounds were. I knew a guy who claimed he shot a buck and trailed it down, but when he was checking it in, the game warden was there and noticed it didnt have any holes in its sides. The warden estimated (from the stench and condition of the meat) it had been dead for several days, but the guy swore up and down he shot it the evening before and found it the next morning.
We always kidded him for scaring the buck to death.
02-13-2006, 01:24 PM
#25
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RE: More on 412 pound buck
I really don't care one way or the other but can present some info. on the weight tapes. If they have been standarized to the animal they are very close to actual weights. It is a common method of estimating a weight on a horse to figure drug dosages. I'm not sure if there is a standard for deer, if there is then the tape would be very close. The fact that it bloated would not affect the tape estimate. The GI tract is where all of the early bloating occurs, rumen and small intestine being the worst. These would have been removed during field dressing and wouldn't affect the circumference of the chest.
02-13-2006, 08:36 PM
#30
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RE: More on 412 pound buck
Gosh dangit AE, who knows but the hairy guy is one tough-looking hombre. LOL.