Results shooting without a peep
#21
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: woodbridge va USA
Posts: 361
RE: Results shooting without a peep
ORIGINAL: dohcrxl
All this passed season I was fighting with my peep.
1) At the very beginning I had a 1/4 inch peep but didn't like it because it produced erratic results. (big paper plate sized groups)
2) I switched to about a 1/8 inch peepwhich made for tighter groups but I couldn't see through it in low light conditions. (missed out on a doe)
3) I then went with a #3 nitehawk peep which performed very well but I didn't like the fact that by design, it could never stay aligned vertically and horizontally to produce a perfect "crosshair" (nitehawk users know what I mean)
4) After being annoyed with that I gave the NO PEEP by Timberline a chance. It was even more annoying because you have to first align a dot inside a circle then look up at your pin to aim all the while keeping everything still aligned.It's resultsonly aboutequalled the 1/4 inch peep.
5) Finally, I said screw all this and took everything off. So with no alignment device of any sort, I am now shooting tighter groups than I ever did with any of the above mentioned items. And, I wont have any issues with not being able to see through my peep at dusk/dawnin addition to the few fps I probably gained by removing the peep and the alignment tube. It's all about anchor point baby.
Peep-less people can I get a WHOOO HOOO!?
wait till you have a akward shot of of a tree stand.
All this passed season I was fighting with my peep.
1) At the very beginning I had a 1/4 inch peep but didn't like it because it produced erratic results. (big paper plate sized groups)
2) I switched to about a 1/8 inch peepwhich made for tighter groups but I couldn't see through it in low light conditions. (missed out on a doe)
3) I then went with a #3 nitehawk peep which performed very well but I didn't like the fact that by design, it could never stay aligned vertically and horizontally to produce a perfect "crosshair" (nitehawk users know what I mean)
4) After being annoyed with that I gave the NO PEEP by Timberline a chance. It was even more annoying because you have to first align a dot inside a circle then look up at your pin to aim all the while keeping everything still aligned.It's resultsonly aboutequalled the 1/4 inch peep.
5) Finally, I said screw all this and took everything off. So with no alignment device of any sort, I am now shooting tighter groups than I ever did with any of the above mentioned items. And, I wont have any issues with not being able to see through my peep at dusk/dawnin addition to the few fps I probably gained by removing the peep and the alignment tube. It's all about anchor point baby.
Peep-less people can I get a WHOOO HOOO!?
wait till you have a akward shot of of a tree stand.
#23
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blossvale, New York
Posts: 21,199
RE: Results shooting without a peep
I think most snug it up real close ti the line of sight..... BUT... it really all comes down to a repeatable rock steady anchor and head angle. The string really disappears from the field of view after you get proficient. It's there, but you don't see it consciously. There's only the anchor and the spot. Become the arrow Grasshopper.
#24
RE: Results shooting without a peep
I can shoot a peep just fine but I have yet to find one that is worth a dime while bowhunting. If one was made like the Shurzapeep sight only in low light plastic yellow or whatever.........I'd try it.
#25
RE: Results shooting without a peep
Cougar, here is one I had on one of my old bows http://www.fine-linearchery.com/peep-UltraGlo.html#top It didn't seem to bad but I went to the Nite Hawk and it actually seems to give better sight in low light. Heres a Nite Hawk link (cabelas) http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=PKKBJ25G3JSGBTQSNOLSCNWOCJVYQI WE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A&_DAV=MainCatcat21424&id=0027617 414546a&navCount=6&podId=0027617&paren tId=cat600331&navAction=push&catalogCode=Q S&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat600 331&hasJS=true&_requestid=25280
#26
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blossvale, New York
Posts: 21,199
RE: Results shooting without a peep
To me, the ones like aeroslinger shows are more of a hinderance than a help. I tried that exact one at one time. The little glow fibers are bright enough to dominate your field of vision. To me the glow/haze effect it creates makes the pins and surrounding peep fuzzy. Since I got old and have shot enough deer to make anyone happy I've come to one conclusion that works for me. IF I can't see through my peep....and ... IF I'm having a hard time with pins... it's probably past legal shooting time. Even if it's not, I figure at best I'm going to chance a marginal hit so why take the shot. There are other days. I practice in light a lot darker than I hunt. I've found for me there must be something coming into play that makes me NOT see the whole peep. My groups in poor light will still group, but they move away from the spot, especially when shooting on something without a spot....like a McKenzie deer target.
#27
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Nova Scotia Canada
Posts: 211
RE: Results shooting without a peep
It's doesn't have to be in illegal hunting time to be to dark. Just being 30' up in the early morning light looking down to the dark forest floor is enough difference in light to make it almost impossible to make a good shoot. For me anyway.
#28
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 276
RE: Results shooting without a peep
ORIGINAL: o2bebowhunting
ORIGINAL: dohcrxl
Peep-less people can I get a WHOOO HOOO!?
wait till you have a akward shot of of a tree stand.
Peep-less people can I get a WHOOO HOOO!?
wait till you have a akward shot of of a tree stand.
"Putting out my own fire in this thread, I decided that although I may be able to shoot nice groups at the range in a controlled environment, I may not be able to do it under the pressure of hunting. At the range I'm always standing perpendicular to the target, my heart is not beating 150 times a minute, I'm not bending at the waist, I'm not turned 180 degrees to shoot. I think with all of that going on and not having anything in way of alignment, I might choke. So, I decided togo witha 5/16 tubeless peep. With this set-up I was still able to group 2" at 20 yards throughout all lighting conditions. My anchor points remain the same but now I have a lil bit of insurance in case the tree I'm in starts to vibrate."
ORIGINAL: davidmil
I'll just say, if you can't shoot with a front and rear site.... how in the HE!! can you expect to shoot better with only half a site. It's not the peep....it's the pupil Grasshopper. Pie plate sized groups with a peep aren't causedby the peep, they're a result of pee poor forum and practice no doubt. Or possibly a combination of that and other factors like set up, tune etc.
I'll just say, if you can't shoot with a front and rear site.... how in the HE!! can you expect to shoot better with only half a site. It's not the peep....it's the pupil Grasshopper. Pie plate sized groups with a peep aren't causedby the peep, they're a result of pee poor forum and practice no doubt. Or possibly a combination of that and other factors like set up, tune etc.
#29
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Montana
Posts: 586
RE: Results shooting without a peep
Last season (my first) under turkey pressure I drew back and forgot to look through the peep! What an idiot! Missed five yards over him! Fortunately I got a second shot,kept my head, and stuck him. The 5/16 peep, even though large,gave me something to regain myself with and relax.
So I'm left with the quandary of whether I would be better off not having the peep (if I'm going to panic anyway), or keep it and just become more disciplined through practice (re: davidmil).
After reading this thread, I think keeping it wins. Even though the circle is large, I feel better with anchor and large peep. It seems like if I could discipline myself to anchor correctly without a peep, I could do the same with a large peep and have that added assurance.
Anybody else notice that page 2 of this thread does not shrink to your screen, or is it just my setup?
So I'm left with the quandary of whether I would be better off not having the peep (if I'm going to panic anyway), or keep it and just become more disciplined through practice (re: davidmil).
After reading this thread, I think keeping it wins. Even though the circle is large, I feel better with anchor and large peep. It seems like if I could discipline myself to anchor correctly without a peep, I could do the same with a large peep and have that added assurance.
Anybody else notice that page 2 of this thread does not shrink to your screen, or is it just my setup?
#30
RE: Results shooting without a peep
ORIGINAL: davidmil
To me, the ones like aeroslinger shows are more of a hinderance than a help. I tried that exact one at one time. The little glow fibers are bright enough to dominate your field of vision. To me the glow/haze effect it creates makes the pins and surrounding peep fuzzy. Since I got old and have shot enough deer to make anyone happy I've come to one conclusion that works for me. IF I can't see through my peep....and ... IF I'm having a hard time with pins... it's probably past legal shooting time. Even if it's not, I figure at best I'm going to chance a marginal hit so why take the shot. There are other days. I practice in light a lot darker than I hunt. I've found for me there must be something coming into play that makes me NOT see the whole peep. My groups in poor light will still group, but they move away from the spot, especially when shooting on something without a spot....like a McKenzie deer target.
To me, the ones like aeroslinger shows are more of a hinderance than a help. I tried that exact one at one time. The little glow fibers are bright enough to dominate your field of vision. To me the glow/haze effect it creates makes the pins and surrounding peep fuzzy. Since I got old and have shot enough deer to make anyone happy I've come to one conclusion that works for me. IF I can't see through my peep....and ... IF I'm having a hard time with pins... it's probably past legal shooting time. Even if it's not, I figure at best I'm going to chance a marginal hit so why take the shot. There are other days. I practice in light a lot darker than I hunt. I've found for me there must be something coming into play that makes me NOT see the whole peep. My groups in poor light will still group, but they move away from the spot, especially when shooting on something without a spot....like a McKenzie deer target.