Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
10-04-2002, 11:00 AM
#81
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
Funny to watch how the thread changed from dump on CG to crap on Kirskin. I will still try mechs but not on elk until I know what I'm doing. I have a question. Why the paranoia about comments being seen by PETA/weenie lurkers? Nothing we could say hasn't been used by them before and I could care less if they don't like my position. Someone in this country has to learn to kill with mercy and to exterminate without it. The best sniper/special forces men in history have been hunters and everyone in this country had better realize that a solid hunting tradition just might save a bunch of liberal asses down the road. I just don't get the sensitivity to the antis especially post 9-11.
10-04-2002, 01:07 PM
#83
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
Krisken...wow did you stir up a hornet's nest! I was going to say I agree with you but I might have to take cover if I do! I've never understood the hatred folks have towards coyotes...I think they are cool and deserve as much respect as the next creature sharing the woods with me. It's maniacs like TWANG that scare and worry me!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
10-04-2002, 01:38 PM
#84
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
wolfen,
I personally don't hate coyotes but I was a ranch manager for 5 years before I began teaching. I watched a herd of 60 doe and fawn antelope turn into a herd of 30 doe antelope in 3 weeks. Every fawn was killed by coyotes. I personally witnessed and intervened in situation where 5 coyotes had taken down a 400# steer and were eating it alive. I don't even have the space to type the # of calving nightmares I had that involved coyotes. Coyotes in our area are OUT OF CONTROL. While I respect their survival ability and their cunning, I also recognize how destructive they can be. Coyotes are going to be coyotes whether there are 1 or 100. If you get too many they will destroy an ecosystem. When their numbers are as high as they are right now they need to be thinned by any means possible. I still say a frontal shot on a coyote is very lethal. Not on a deer or elk but it is on a coyote. Of the couple dozen coyotes I've shot or seen shot with a bow, not one has run more than 50 yards. That being said, I've seen coyotes shot with a 22-250 run several hundred yards on marginal hits.
"What we do in this life echos an eternity"
I personally don't hate coyotes but I was a ranch manager for 5 years before I began teaching. I watched a herd of 60 doe and fawn antelope turn into a herd of 30 doe antelope in 3 weeks. Every fawn was killed by coyotes. I personally witnessed and intervened in situation where 5 coyotes had taken down a 400# steer and were eating it alive. I don't even have the space to type the # of calving nightmares I had that involved coyotes. Coyotes in our area are OUT OF CONTROL. While I respect their survival ability and their cunning, I also recognize how destructive they can be. Coyotes are going to be coyotes whether there are 1 or 100. If you get too many they will destroy an ecosystem. When their numbers are as high as they are right now they need to be thinned by any means possible. I still say a frontal shot on a coyote is very lethal. Not on a deer or elk but it is on a coyote. Of the couple dozen coyotes I've shot or seen shot with a bow, not one has run more than 50 yards. That being said, I've seen coyotes shot with a 22-250 run several hundred yards on marginal hits.
"What we do in this life echos an eternity"
10-04-2002, 02:19 PM
#85
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
CG, I don't feel mislead. I merely questioned the different description of the damage. I'm surprised a coyote neck bone would do what a deer's rib doesn't appear to. As I said earlier, possibly something else happened to cause the damage. I'll wait to see the pics.
Twang, you're kidding, right? Trying to get a rise out of Krisken, right? I hope so.
Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."
Twang, you're kidding, right? Trying to get a rise out of Krisken, right? I hope so.
Phil.
"Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot."
10-04-2002, 04:48 PM
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>Alchohol and computers , guess what they both have in common<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
This whole thing has turned a little juvenile , dont ya think krisken?
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This whole thing has turned a little juvenile , dont ya think krisken?
"Nocked,cocked & ready to rock"
10-04-2002, 07:03 PM
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
Cg I know you already have a bad opinion of mechanicals but give the shockwaves a try they are awesome. I penetrated both shoulders of a buck last year. But I don't blame you if you never try again. If I had a bad experience with them I wouldn't want to shoot them either. But give the shockwaves a try as they are great.
Brian
Brian
10-04-2002, 07:23 PM
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RE: Mechanical BH-75% failure rate!!!!!!!
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I have heard many, many trappers report this. My taxidermist has told me it has often happened to him. I did a quick bit of searching and located some research addressing this subject:
"Animals chew off their own limbs to free themselves from the metal jaws – a ploy known as wring off. They also attack the trap itself, leading to major tooth and gum injuries. A Swedish study of foxes caught in legholds and snares (41) reported an incidence of tooth injuries ranging from 19 per cent in juveniles to 58 per cent in older animals.
An earlier US study (42) recorded 73 per cent of female otters and 68 per cent of males had incurred such damage. Injuries included teeth that were crushed and splintered and jaw sockets that were entirely denuded of teeth. In the stomachs of trapped animals evidence of their struggle will invariably be found. A 1969 examination of arctic foxes (43) found skin, claws, teeth, bits of bone and parts of mangled feet.
Trappers will claim that the incidence of wring-off is exaggerated by the ‘antis’. Hard, current data is difficult to come by for obvious reasons: a reluctance to report and/or the mutilated animal is no longer to be found. But a 1956 study of foxes caught in legholds established that 26 per cent escaped by gnawing off their feet or by dragging away the trap itself (44). Similar percentages were reported for mink and raccoons. More recently (45), a 67 per cent ‘amputation’ rate was found in kit foxes – this from wring-off, or from the action of the trap."
I have heard many, many trappers report this. My taxidermist has told me it has often happened to him. I did a quick bit of searching and located some research addressing this subject:
"Animals chew off their own limbs to free themselves from the metal jaws – a ploy known as wring off. They also attack the trap itself, leading to major tooth and gum injuries. A Swedish study of foxes caught in legholds and snares (41) reported an incidence of tooth injuries ranging from 19 per cent in juveniles to 58 per cent in older animals.
An earlier US study (42) recorded 73 per cent of female otters and 68 per cent of males had incurred such damage. Injuries included teeth that were crushed and splintered and jaw sockets that were entirely denuded of teeth. In the stomachs of trapped animals evidence of their struggle will invariably be found. A 1969 examination of arctic foxes (43) found skin, claws, teeth, bits of bone and parts of mangled feet.
Trappers will claim that the incidence of wring-off is exaggerated by the ‘antis’. Hard, current data is difficult to come by for obvious reasons: a reluctance to report and/or the mutilated animal is no longer to be found. But a 1956 study of foxes caught in legholds established that 26 per cent escaped by gnawing off their feet or by dragging away the trap itself (44). Similar percentages were reported for mink and raccoons. More recently (45), a 67 per cent ‘amputation’ rate was found in kit foxes – this from wring-off, or from the action of the trap."