Confused
08-27-2005, 05:11 PM
#11
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 735
RE: Confused
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Looks like you're shooting fingers, is that right? Hope you're not trying to shoot a prong rest or dropaway. You need a flipper rest instead, like the Cavalier Free Flyte. I like the Free Flite Micro
I'm not so sure the draw length is too short for you. Looks to me like you're leaning your head back, away from your anchor. Maybe trying to see through a peep set too high? Lean your head slightly forward instead. Then, if you're shooting fingers, pick a tooth in your upper jaw to anchor over, one that will put the arrow's nock directly under your eye. Then adjust the height of your peep to match it.
To adjust your peep, close your eyes and draw to anchor, then open your eyes. If you're not looking directly through the center of the peep, move it. You will have to move your pins to correspond to the new peep location.
And it also looks like you're canting the bow to your left. Loosening your grip would probably fix that. Not to mention you've got the 'aiming at a target on the floor' syndrome, using your arms to aim the bow. Your arms and shoulders are not in alignment.
Check those screws on your bottom cam. If the cam is rattling, then they are probably loose.
Looks like you're shooting fingers, is that right? Hope you're not trying to shoot a prong rest or dropaway. You need a flipper rest instead, like the Cavalier Free Flyte. I like the Free Flite Micro
I'm not so sure the draw length is too short for you. Looks to me like you're leaning your head back, away from your anchor. Maybe trying to see through a peep set too high? Lean your head slightly forward instead. Then, if you're shooting fingers, pick a tooth in your upper jaw to anchor over, one that will put the arrow's nock directly under your eye. Then adjust the height of your peep to match it.
To adjust your peep, close your eyes and draw to anchor, then open your eyes. If you're not looking directly through the center of the peep, move it. You will have to move your pins to correspond to the new peep location.
And it also looks like you're canting the bow to your left. Loosening your grip would probably fix that. Not to mention you've got the 'aiming at a target on the floor' syndrome, using your arms to aim the bow. Your arms and shoulders are not in alignment.
Check those screws on your bottom cam. If the cam is rattling, then they are probably loose.
08-27-2005, 05:33 PM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,175
RE: Confused
Yeah, the whisker bisquit does hold some significance for me. I've seen a very few guys on the forums say they like the WB for fingers shooting, but I've never seen anyone do it. Frankly, I think it's a lousy choice for a finger shooter. Cavalier Archery and Golden Key Futura both have a lot of great fingers rests.
I'll give you a hint about getting a good grip on the bow. Hold your bow arm out level with your shoulder, palm down and with your thumb sticking straight out. Make sure the inside bend of your elbow is perpendicular to the floor. Curl your pinky and ring fingers into your palm. Now, keeping that elbow bend perpendicular, rotate your forearm so that your thumb is sticking up at a 45 degree angle. Now, relax your thumb. Your bow's handle will go right into the V between your thumb and forefinger, resting right into that baby's butt at the base of your palm. Your ring finger and pinky will be between your palm and the grip, with your forefinger and middle finger loosely draped across the front of the riser.
I'll give you a hint about getting a good grip on the bow. Hold your bow arm out level with your shoulder, palm down and with your thumb sticking straight out. Make sure the inside bend of your elbow is perpendicular to the floor. Curl your pinky and ring fingers into your palm. Now, keeping that elbow bend perpendicular, rotate your forearm so that your thumb is sticking up at a 45 degree angle. Now, relax your thumb. Your bow's handle will go right into the V between your thumb and forefinger, resting right into that baby's butt at the base of your palm. Your ring finger and pinky will be between your palm and the grip, with your forefinger and middle finger loosely draped across the front of the riser.
08-27-2005, 10:45 PM
#13
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Michigan
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RE: Confused
Well I went out and did the stuff you told me to, I saw improvemnet in my groupings, I wa able to keep it more steady and keep it consistent. Now ive moved up to 20 yards and im getting decnt groups there as well, I still need to get out there and work on it a little more.
08-30-2005, 07:00 PM
#14
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Michigan
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RE: Confused
Im starting to get frustrated with one thing. At 10 yards I shoot 5 arrows the all land in a 1-2 in circle each time, now when I move up to 20 yards, sometimes they hit and most of the time they just fly all over my deer target, I am not changing anything that I do from 10 yards to the 20 yard. Im not jerking when I release, im not torquing my arm, my arm is square with my arm. Im doing everything right Im assuming, what could be the deal here, I cant figure it out ive been shooting all night trying to figure this out. I also tried shooting numerous arrows and none of them seemed to hit where I wanted them to. Thanks Guys!
Corey
Corey
08-30-2005, 08:05 PM
#15
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Bureau County Illinois
Posts: 605
RE: Confused
Every little mistake at 10 yards is magnified when you go out to 20 yards.A little torque here, a drop of the bow arm there, at 10 yards you still might hit all of them in a small 1-2 inch group. At 20 yards it gets much worse. Also, a lot of people have a harder time holding their pin steady when the target looks smaller because of distance. I will be honest with you and tell you I was never able to get a WB to fly right for me out past 15 yards... Some people I know shoot them great but I had to scrap it twice because I just couldn't get the consistancy that I wanted
08-30-2005, 08:19 PM
#16
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Norristown, Pennsylvania
Posts: 56
RE: Confused
I've only been bowhunting for three years and your initial problem that you stated about your groups is exactly what used to happen to me. I discovered that my problem(s) were exactly what these guys are saying. I had bow tune issues AND form issues. Listen to what they're saying and take your time while trying to solve the issue. After making one change, shoot the bow for several days before moving on to the next modification. I would recommend that you first make a stop at your pro shop and get your form straightened out. Don't touch the bow until your comfortable that you're shooting the exact same way every time (or at least trying to). One other suggesting, when new to bowhunting we tend to want to shoot a lot. NEVER try to tune your bow when you are tired.
08-30-2005, 08:43 PM
#20
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: creemore Ontario Canada
Posts: 5,525
RE: Confused
I think Arthur has nailed it with your grip ,it's so easy to forget that part of your form,he's set out some good advice for you .Don't forget do not drop your arm keep it up and keep it consistant with your grip.I'd definately go with the release it just help's make your release a little more consistant than finger's . I also believe as Arthur say's every time you bring your bow up and draw your peep should be right there automatically,so be sure your peep is set correctly.If your shooting from a treestand ,bend at the waist and keep your arm up .
Make yourself out a check list of thing's to remember when setting up for a shot everytime .Some guy's I've heard that they'll tape a small list on the inside of their riser ,that they can see every time they pull their bow up.This just remind's you everytime you draw.
1. Grip [no torque]
2. Bowarm [up]
3 Stance [turn your body slightly toward's your target with your feet slightly seperated ]
4.easy release
5. let bow drop on it's own
nubo
Make yourself out a check list of thing's to remember when setting up for a shot everytime .Some guy's I've heard that they'll tape a small list on the inside of their riser ,that they can see every time they pull their bow up.This just remind's you everytime you draw.
1. Grip [no torque]
2. Bowarm [up]
3 Stance [turn your body slightly toward's your target with your feet slightly seperated ]
4.easy release
5. let bow drop on it's own
nubo