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Old 07-19-2005, 12:15 AM
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I can't believe you guys are talking about shooting at a live animal at 60yards with a bow, even in perfect conditions it would be almost impossiable, I owe it to the game I hunt to get closer and if I did my homework I would't need to shoot 60yrd. My opinion , whether your a world class archer or not 60yrds to me is 100% unethical. To many variables to consider. I'm not going to risk wounding the animal.
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:44 AM
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Decided the conditions was right on that specific day, there was no way to get any closer. I took the58 yard shot. The black wildebeest bull moved and I shot him high on the shoulder. He would have survived the shot but I was unsure at that time. I had to use a gun to finish him off. Since then my hunting sight only has 3 pins out to 40 yards.
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:36 AM
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I get tired of everyone in these posts saying that shooting distances is totally unethical because its not. you know your own abilities and can decide what distance is too far but dont tell me how far i can shoot. sure some people shouldnt shoot over twenty from what ive seen but i practice and 80 to 100 yards regularly. i limit myself to about 60 or 70 if the situation permits but the practice makes me feel that i can kill that given animal effectivly at the distance that i take the shot.plus for the guys who wont shoot over thirty at a whitetail think of it this way an elks vitals are twice as big making their vitals at 60 the same size as a whitetails at thirty and other than the slight difference in wind ect. its the same shot, so limit yourself and stop telling me what is too far for me.
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:44 AM
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First off, it is a little ridiculas to establish a set distance at which one should shoot. I know guys who are more effective at 50 yards than others are at 20. Each individual hunter has to establish their own personal effective shooting range.
Your ability only enters into about 60%-70%,the rest being factors thatare beyond your controlin a hunting situation. Your ability is 100% in a target situation.

Here are some numbers to chew on from a previous post:


Here are a few numbers to think about,

I have computed how much a deer can actually move before an arrow gets to it. The numbers are based on a few things. First I used an average speed of an arrow at 280fps. That is a pretty fast average arrow flight. Please note that I used an average speed, because an arrow will decrease in speed after it is shot. Second the numbers are based on a deer at a steady walk of 4 mph and a slower walk of 2 mph. Again, it is assumed that the deer is walking an even pace. Here are the numbers:

20 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 14.75 inches
20 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 7.5 inches

30 yards, 4 mph, a deer can move 22.5 inches
30 yards, 2 mph, a deer can move 11.25 inches

Remember, these distances are computed from the time you release and the time the arrow hits the target. It doesn' t include your reaction time. which is generally at least .1 seconds. And foes not take into consideration the arrowo slowing down at all.

Here is the computation if you are interested:

arrow traveling 280fps travels 60ft(20 yards) at .21 seconds (60ft/280fps)
arrow traveling 280fps travels 90ft(30 yards) at .32 seconds (90ft/280fps)

1 mile = 5280 feet
4mph=21120fph=352fpm=5.87fps
2mph=10560fph=176fpm=2.93fps

.21seconds times 5.87fps=1.23 feet per .21 seconds = 14.75 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 4 mph)

.21 seconds times 2.93fps=.62 feet per .21 seconds = 7.5 inches per .21 seconds (20 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)

.32 seconds times 5.87fps = 1.878 feet per .32 seconds = 22.5 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 4mph)

.32 seconds times 2.93fps = .9376 feet per .32 seconds = 11.25 inches per .32 seconds (30 yard shot, deer walking at 2 mph)

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Old 07-19-2005, 09:14 AM
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I would shoot 60 yards at an animal only under one condition. The animal is already seriously wounded and I've got a chance for a finishing shot before it gets away. That's the only time I think a bowhunting shot that far is ethical.

Frankly, if I felt the need to kill something at distances beyond 30 yards, I'd stick with a rifle.





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Old 07-19-2005, 09:23 AM
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I say go for it. My buddy shot a elk at 67yds and the guy with him shot the other at 76yds.
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:49 PM
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Long shots are just excuses for poor hunting ability. Get close...then you don't have to worry. Some of you tossers are amazing!!![:@]
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Old 07-19-2005, 01:57 PM
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Thanks for those interesting calculations.
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Old 07-19-2005, 03:41 PM
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I believe there are many factors to be considered when taking long shots. The most important being YOUR ability to hit and hit with consistancy the kill zone at those long distances. The others have been listed on earlier posts.

For me it's simple, while I do practice long shots (over 50yds) I don't do it enough to even think about a 60+yd shot on game. I'm too busy trying to hit what I'm aiming for at 40yds and under

To answer your question, with your set up and at that distance,youhaveenough energyfor good penetration on a whitetail even if your shot placement is not perfect. As far as elk go, as long as it's agood hit you will have no problems with penetrationthereeither.


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Old 07-19-2005, 08:42 PM
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For all of you that like these long shots at live animals that can and do move around unexpectedly try a little test to see how proficient you really are.

Take a car tire and fill the inside with foam and have someone roll it down a gentle hill. Stand at sixty yards and see how many times you can hit it. Now I know that most of you wouldn't take a shot at a moving animal from sixty yards but it will illustrate my point of how much an animal can really move and, more importantly, how much you can miss at that distance.

Try it and then post your results to us.

My buddy shot a elk at 67yds and the guy with him shot the other at 76yds.
I love these kinds of statements. My buddy did this and my buddy did that. No offence but who really cares what your "buddy" did. So someones "buddy" makes a 700 yard shot on an elk with a .308 does that mean that the vast majority should even consider attempting that shot? Absolutely not!!!!!!!!!

A 60 yard shot with a bow is equivalent to attempting a 600 yard shot with a 30-06 firing 180 grain bullets. It takes very close to the same ammount of time for the bullet to reach 600 yards as it takes an arrow to reach 60 yards. Both the arrow and bullet have close to the same trajectory and wind drift at those distances.We all strive for 1 moa with a rifle and we all strive for 1 inch group for every ten yards with a bow even though most of us can't achieve that under real world hunting conditions.

So how many here are proficient enough with a rifle to take a 600 yard shot with a 30-06?


Oh yeah, and by the way manboy, I haven't liked you from the get go so you aren't hurting my feelings any if you don't like me.
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