Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
#32
RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
ORIGINAL: Cougar Mag
(1)High fenced kills should not be allowed in any record books except for perhaps a high fenced record book.
By bad neighbors are you referring to trespassers or to neighbors that are enjoying killing the "public's" deer on their adjacent property, that perhaps you have been feeding? I have a differing opinon.......I believe it is to keep the deer in.
(1)High fenced kills should not be allowed in any record books except for perhaps a high fenced record book.
By bad neighbors are you referring to trespassers or to neighbors that are enjoying killing the "public's" deer on their adjacent property, that perhaps you have been feeding? I have a differing opinon.......I believe it is to keep the deer in.
#33
RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
ORIGINAL: i shoot stuff
those closed in hunts are for the people that go out spend over 1000 dollars on equipment. no nothing about hunting put others in danger shoot at animals to far away wound them but dont go look for it. and get mad if they dont get something and quit hunting. or there the onese that spend all the money no nothing go in smelling like " spring air dried" detergent and bag one of the biggest bucks you and i have ever seen. then say they are the best hunter in the world. i personally beleive it's bull crap. i also feel the same way about baiting its bull also. i will never buy tinks or anything like that.
those closed in hunts are for the people that go out spend over 1000 dollars on equipment. no nothing about hunting put others in danger shoot at animals to far away wound them but dont go look for it. and get mad if they dont get something and quit hunting. or there the onese that spend all the money no nothing go in smelling like " spring air dried" detergent and bag one of the biggest bucks you and i have ever seen. then say they are the best hunter in the world. i personally beleive it's bull crap. i also feel the same way about baiting its bull also. i will never buy tinks or anything like that.
"1000 dollars on equipment" dang you just eliminated of a 95 percent of the prople on this site...... 500-700 bow, 100 sight, 100 arrow rest, 50 release,100 in arrows just to start, 50 stablizer, 30 bucks for broadheads, 50 bucks for a cheap bowcase, lets say you want new camo 200, how bout a new tree stand 200 plus...
HOLY SMOKE, IF OUR WIVES DID SOME ADDING THEY WOULD FENCE US IN!!!!
#34
Join Date: Dec 2004
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RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
We don't have many high fenced areas here in Missouri
This activity should be illegal. That's not hunting!
#35
Join Date: Mar 2005
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RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
Man,this is a delicate one!
Like a lot of you have said we have enough laws and I also don't believe this practice should be illegal.I see a big difference between the examples of fenced in large tracts in Texas and purposely designed small enclosures where the animals don't stand a chance.While the Texas type experience is not something that I would choose to do,I have a great respect for their management practices.Had I grown up in that environment and with the consideration that there is so little public land I perhaps would have a different take on it.
My biggest fear is public perception of the small enclosure type operations.The guaranteed kill stuff bugs the heck out of me.That is not hunting it is purely killing and any person that participates in that type of thing is putting all of us at risk of losing our hunting freedoms.
Like a lot of you have said we have enough laws and I also don't believe this practice should be illegal.I see a big difference between the examples of fenced in large tracts in Texas and purposely designed small enclosures where the animals don't stand a chance.While the Texas type experience is not something that I would choose to do,I have a great respect for their management practices.Had I grown up in that environment and with the consideration that there is so little public land I perhaps would have a different take on it.
My biggest fear is public perception of the small enclosure type operations.The guaranteed kill stuff bugs the heck out of me.That is not hunting it is purely killing and any person that participates in that type of thing is putting all of us at risk of losing our hunting freedoms.
#36
RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
datamax, when you go chicken hunting with your own chickens you better make sure that PETA or the SPCA don't find out about it. You will find that your chicken hunt will cost you big bucks, same as hunting big game in fenced areas. Except your money will be in the form of fines not hunting fees.
#37
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,876
RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
ORIGINAL: Tuffbroadhead
Fencing out bad neigbors: I was referring to trespassers and BAD neigbors..... when I spend the time to invest in the Public deer herd and I start to vastly improve it and My neigbor decides to ABUSE his public hunting privliges by starting a business of killing the Public deer to the tune of 30-40 hunters on the property when the local deer herd cannot substane that kind of harvest quota, other bad neigbors.....
Fencing out bad neigbors: I was referring to trespassers and BAD neigbors..... when I spend the time to invest in the Public deer herd and I start to vastly improve it and My neigbor decides to ABUSE his public hunting privliges by starting a business of killing the Public deer to the tune of 30-40 hunters on the property when the local deer herd cannot substane that kind of harvest quota, other bad neigbors.....
Unless you have balls of steel
you might want to invest in some iron underwear before the day comes.
#39
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 117
RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
Here in Texas wild white tail deer are considered public property. If I put up a high fence around wild deer and keep them away from the public am I steeling? The public doesn't have access to caged wild deer and therefore they are not public property anymore.
It should not be legal. It’s the same idea as someone thinking they do not have to buy a hunting license because they are hunting on their land. Those deer are not theirs they are the property of the people of Texas. If it were not for the states laws and protection(that is funded by tax dollars) deer would be non-existent.
While I am on my soap box. IMO it is not hunting when someone goes to one of these big ranches and sits in a big shooting house, waits for the feeder to go off and picks out one of the 10 deer that run out to eat. I just can’t see that as being rewarding to me. I get much satisfaction by going out finding a spot, getting to know the environment and learning how to get close enough to kill a free ranging animal. That is hunting. Going to a stand you have never seen in your life sitting in a big shooting house drinking coffee is just killing.
#40
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 638
RE: Should high fence deer pens be illegal???
Legally the deer belong to the "people of the state", thats the way it was worded long ago to keep everybody happy. But ethically and if you use alittle common sense you will see that the wildlife dosent "really" belong to the people, nor should it. The people of the state do not want anything to do with the wildlife except when it comes time to benefit from it. The landowners, especially in Texas, are the sole providers for the wildlife. They feed it, they water it, they protect it, and they should reap the benefits from it. When I drive around one of my ranches and I see deer running around, those deer are mine byall practical sense. To think those deer also belong to some gang memeber in downtown Houston, or some soccer mom in Austin just because those people happen to live in the same state is nonsense. One day the state of Texas will make whitetails private property and the deer will belong to whom evers land it is standing on at the time in question. Then we will all be happy.........