Jack Ryan

..... hurry up. Make up your mind, what do you want...
I don't know, there's always so much to choose from...
It's the same menu they had last time we were here, jeeze, come one, come on...

Good morning, welcome to McPicken Shoot.
Would you like to try our McMulely today?


No no, just hang on a minute.

I'll have two number 78's an order of hog fries and two dietCokes please.

Oh oh and make that to go, we don't have much time to sit around gawking. I've got to be back in the office early. Could you have the delivery boy show up right before lunch with our trophys please.

buckeye

I am shocked from some of the posts in this thread. High fence hunters and all the "average joes and bubbas" will never see eye to eye we all already know and understand this.

I would stop hunting before taking up the views of highrack and others like him. Your logic is downright scary.

About the high fences I agree they should not be illegial. I also choose not to hunt in them. You do your thing I'll do mine.

Tim4Trout

I've hunted areas where I can legally discharge a bow that are less than 25.

Tim4Trout

In response to various previous posts ...

Since when does putting a fence around property change attempting to harvest a deer from hunting to not hunting ?

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An animal's ability to elude the hunter is not necessarily compromised by having that animal confined within an enclosure.

All facilities are not alike, thus one should not judge such facilities and how they operate as a whole based upon those such as that which happened recently involving a single facility in Indiana.

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To those opposed to high fence operations.

While I would certainly take a stand against someone putting a tame deer from a petting zoo in a 30 by 50 ft pen, have somebody shoot it, and call it hunting, many facilities involve more than what be necessary to meet the requirements for fair chase, which is often the key argument against such facilities.

Any implimentation which can increase a persons chances of success poses the risk of being judged as taking away from what might be considered as " fair chase ".

If you choose not to participate in a high fence hunt ... FINE
But please don't take away from those that do, or put them down.

Anti hunting factions are out there to END ALL HUNTING. If you think they will stop their attacks after hunting methods which you feel do not construe fair chase are eliminated, THINK AGAIN !!!

datamax

I understand it all too well I'm afraid ..........

And in most cases if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ........ its a duck.

And if it looks like canned shooting (hunting), sells like canned shooting (hunting) , and its advertised like canned shooting (hunting) ? Its canned shooting.

We fight and argue and debate the things that make a break our sport. Compounds have had a huge impact (negative and positive) towards bowhunting. So too have crossbows. High fenced areas are no different. Funny you mention Europe ....... only the wealthy hunt there on private grounds and Hunting is a thing of the past to 99% of the population. Is that what ya'll want ??

Jack Ryan - hurry up and shoot, they got your Credit card already scanned and ready to bill direct and you can take the horns home tonight and brag about how hard the Hunt was.

It certainly matters, and not only that, the deer become very dumbed down when they aren't hunted to ammount to anything. Its easier - the great EASY revolution that Bowhunting and Hunting in general has become []

Sorry, nope, can't do that. Why ? Its the enemy within, thats why. I will not, can not, side with something that I think and feel is wrong simply because that thing is mistakening called and grouped with the hunting that I know and love.

canned high fenced areas are NOT hunting, never will be. Its shooting, killing, harvesting ........ call it what you want be there aint no "hunting" involved.

Huge Texas ranches ? Different story. Huge Kansas or Colorado or midwest cattle farms ? Different - but not canned. Whats the magical acreage that constitutes canned from not-canned ? It has no black and white numbers, but it can be identified.

You gotta look at the pro's and con's of something like this, how it effects ALL hunting and take that into account. Its my view that high fenced canned 'hunting" destroys the very fabric of what hunting is. They should NOT be allowed to be called or advertised as "hunting" - because they are not

nodog

I agree to a point, all hunting is not done from a stand. How would it be if the deer were driven into a corner? Many hunters form a drive and hunt that way. Indians used a form of enclousure to hunt (cliffs).

I'm with you. Anti hunters, (i.e. a person who is against any form of legal hunting that quickly and humanly takes a animal) are a pest.

Bill Yox

Nodog, in all fairness, native americans were procuring game, or food as a neccessity, so the boxed in massacres of animals were practical, and not what we are as sport hunters. Legit point, just not valid for this exchange, Im thinking.

Data, people like you see it only as you do. Im not going to attempt to change your mind. You take my points and read not what my point is, but rather your alternatives. Enjoy your form of hunting, I hope its always available for you.

Guys, there will be enclosure hunting long after all the available land is bought or developed or closed to free hunting. In the meantime, enjoy the way you have it. It truly IS a priviledge to hunt, not a right.

While horse farms try to breed and cross to create that special animal that outperforms the others, to earn stud fees, semen sales, and a purchase price, so does the folks raising cattle. Better milkers, better laying chickens, better meat yeilding animals, even goat farmers want the best milk for cheese. Deer, the ones we bought from captivity, are our domestic livestock, and we too are raising them for performance. Once theyve produced their offspring, collected semen, sold the photos, ( a couple of mine also are used for taxidermy training) and sold the shed antlers, the last usage is that animal itself. I for one am not ashamed of it. Im in awe of all of what a whitetail can be and how it does so in captivity as well as in the wild. Even if wild these days isnt always countless acres of Texas or prairies of Kansas or standing timber in Saskatchewan, or even a small pocket of locust trees and briars in urban NJ.

Bill Yox

Nodog, Im sorry, after re-reading your post, I see in what context you made mention of the indian hunt. Again, my mistake, I misread your point. -Bill Yox

datamax

Bill Yox - the thought of growing large antlered bucks to make money off of and calling it Hunting makes my want to puke all over my computer. THAT is going to be the death of Hunting .......... thanks for throwing gas on the fire buddy [:'(]

shtr.

Man is this old
It seems like there is only one site that doesnt bring this kind of baiting on and I am not going to mention which one that is , for fear that I would have to leave there