Arrow preference
07-29-2004, 11:16 PM
#12
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: middletown ohio USA
Posts: 111
RE: Arrow preference
you didn't state that they had to be carbons in the post so i'll say, stay with the aluminums. xx75's or xx78 super slams. they have been around a long time and are excellent. i don't use carbons anymore due to last year i shot a doe and when she ran off i found my arrow in two pieces and splinters everywhere. had to trash alot of the meat because of carbon splinters. nothing but aluminums for me. shoulder bones are no match for them
07-30-2004, 12:05 AM
#13
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
RE: Arrow preference
Personally I stick with arrows that are .003" straightness. It seems to give a good balance between acceptable straightness and cost.
Most of Bemans and Eastons carbon arrows are +-.005 inches. Which is not very straight. Everyone makes a carbon shaft that is +- .005 or .006 but Easton and Beman do not offer anything striaghter unless you get a carbon/ aluminum arrow. Beman even has some as far out as .011 inches. That could be as much as 22 thousandths of an inch.[
][][] That's 1/45th of an inch!!!!!!! Wooden shafts are striaghter.
I do not like Beman and Easton carbon arrows at all. I have shot the Bemans two different times and did not like them either time I tried them. I won't buy them any more. They cost too much for the tolerances that they have.
Carbon Express makes some of the best carbons on the market today and that is what I shoot currently, CX300. I do want to try their Terminator selects to get a heavier arrow.
I also really like the PSE carbon extremes, which I believe are made by the same company that makes CE????????
Gold tips come in second for me and I would stay away from the hunter line. They are very inconsistent.
Go to this link and they give you some good info (chart) on the arrows that they sell.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhe...election-6.htm
Most of Bemans and Eastons carbon arrows are +-.005 inches. Which is not very straight. Everyone makes a carbon shaft that is +- .005 or .006 but Easton and Beman do not offer anything striaghter unless you get a carbon/ aluminum arrow. Beman even has some as far out as .011 inches. That could be as much as 22 thousandths of an inch.[
][][] That's 1/45th of an inch!!!!!!! Wooden shafts are striaghter.I do not like Beman and Easton carbon arrows at all. I have shot the Bemans two different times and did not like them either time I tried them. I won't buy them any more. They cost too much for the tolerances that they have.
Carbon Express makes some of the best carbons on the market today and that is what I shoot currently, CX300. I do want to try their Terminator selects to get a heavier arrow.
I also really like the PSE carbon extremes, which I believe are made by the same company that makes CE????????
Gold tips come in second for me and I would stay away from the hunter line. They are very inconsistent.
Go to this link and they give you some good info (chart) on the arrows that they sell.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhe...election-6.htm
08-02-2004, 07:31 AM
#14
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 39
RE: Arrow preference
T-Miller,you must of been using arrows that were very old,like some of the first carbons that came out!.I have shot 4 through the sholder and no probelms.at all.I have shot through 2-3" saplings,and hit many rocks.Never had the damage you discribe,with ANY carbon arrows.Some broke yea, BUT NO SPLINTERING!!!.If you want to shoot ALM.,go for it,just dont put down good quality arrows that we all know,dont splinter.They unwine.pan.
08-03-2004, 05:36 AM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dahlonega Ga. USA
Posts: 1,626
RE: Arrow preference
The Bemans look nice, but I can't seem to get any info on them regarding straightness tolerance, either in their pamphlet or on their website.
If your local shop doesn't carry the product you want, ask them if they will order it for you, but be prepared to pay up front for what you want since most shop owners already have a collection of things they have ordered for folks that were never picked up.
08-03-2004, 05:57 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Dahlonega Ga. USA
Posts: 1,626
RE: Arrow preference
Most of Bemans and Eastons carbon arrows are +-.005 inches. Which is not very straight. Everyone makes a carbon shaft that is +- .005 or .006 but Easton and Beman do not offer anything striaghter unless you get a carbon/ aluminum arrow. Beman even has some as far out as .011 inches.
Beman ICSCamo Hunter, Carbon, +/-.002"
Beman ICS Trebark, carbon,+/-.002"
Beman ICS Hunter, Carbon,+/- .002"
Beman Carbon fiber bonded to aluminum 7075 core tube, +/-.003"
PSE Carbon force extreme, carbon, +/- .003"
You are correct about the eastons carbon, but the bemans aren't all that bad if you pick and choose, they do have some that are terrible.
08-03-2004, 07:02 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: CT, USA
Posts: 3,058
RE: Arrow preference
ORIGINAL: Coastie
[Beman ICS Classic, all carbon straightness +/-.002"
Beman ICSCamo Hunter, Carbon, +/-.002"
Beman ICS Trebark, carbon,+/-.002"
Beman ICS Hunter, Carbon,+/- .002"
Beman Carbon fiber bonded to aluminum 7075 core tube, +/-.003"
You are correct about the eastons carbon, but the bemans aren't all that bad if you pick and choose, they do have some that are terrible.
[Beman ICS Classic, all carbon straightness +/-.002"
Beman ICSCamo Hunter, Carbon, +/-.002"
Beman ICS Trebark, carbon,+/-.002"
Beman ICS Hunter, Carbon,+/- .002"
Beman Carbon fiber bonded to aluminum 7075 core tube, +/-.003"
You are correct about the eastons carbon, but the bemans aren't all that bad if you pick and choose, they do have some that are terrible.
Here is a quote from a Fax I recieved back from Beman last year
Jeff,
1) The matrix shaft is +/- .003 in straightness on a 28" span.
This is not per inch, but at 28" span.
2) The weight is +/- 3.0 grains per dozen. Beman does not
advertise their weight and straightness tolerances. It really depends on
what model you get that will determine the weight and straightness
tolerances. In Beman the weight tolerances can range anywhere from +/-
5.0 to +/- 1.5 grains per dozen. The straightness can range from +/-.003
to +/- .014. Usually the lower costing shafts will have lower
tolerances, but tend to be more consistent weight wise.
In Easton the straightness tolerances range from +/- .004 to +/-
.005, pretty good. The weights on the all carbon from Easton range from
+/-1.0 grains to +/- 5.00 grains. When you are looking at the A/C
products the tolerances are even better from +/- .002 to +/- .003 and in
weight from +/- .5 to +/-2.0 grains.
3) Getting a straightness tolerance in an all carbon shaft to be better
than +/- .004 is a little impossible. I know our competitors put that
they have +/-.001 in straightness, but you may only be getting one of
those if any at all. We don't play the game where we compete with posted
numbers. We just tell it like it is and that's what they usually are if
not better. The numbers we post are the worst case scenario, so we give
ourselves some cussion.
4) As of right now I don't know if they are going to be using a
uni-bushing for the ICS product. If there is one on the way, I haven't
heard anything about it.
I hope that has answered your questions.
Good shooting >>---------->
Marty Galvan
Account Services Representative/ Tech. Support
1) The matrix shaft is +/- .003 in straightness on a 28" span.
This is not per inch, but at 28" span.
2) The weight is +/- 3.0 grains per dozen. Beman does not
advertise their weight and straightness tolerances. It really depends on
what model you get that will determine the weight and straightness
tolerances. In Beman the weight tolerances can range anywhere from +/-
5.0 to +/- 1.5 grains per dozen. The straightness can range from +/-.003
to +/- .014. Usually the lower costing shafts will have lower
tolerances, but tend to be more consistent weight wise.
In Easton the straightness tolerances range from +/- .004 to +/-
.005, pretty good. The weights on the all carbon from Easton range from
+/-1.0 grains to +/- 5.00 grains. When you are looking at the A/C
products the tolerances are even better from +/- .002 to +/- .003 and in
weight from +/- .5 to +/-2.0 grains.
3) Getting a straightness tolerance in an all carbon shaft to be better
than +/- .004 is a little impossible. I know our competitors put that
they have +/-.001 in straightness, but you may only be getting one of
those if any at all. We don't play the game where we compete with posted
numbers. We just tell it like it is and that's what they usually are if
not better. The numbers we post are the worst case scenario, so we give
ourselves some cussion.
4) As of right now I don't know if they are going to be using a
uni-bushing for the ICS product. If there is one on the way, I haven't
heard anything about it.
I hope that has answered your questions.
Good shooting >>---------->
Marty Galvan
Account Services Representative/ Tech. Support
As tight as Beman/Easton spine and weight is, they still have a ways to go..IME, the competition has caught up and surpassed them in the realm of all-carbon and carbon-composite fiber technology.
They do shoot extremely well if you get a straight dozen..at least for awhile.
EDIT: I should also note that in my FAX I made it quite clear that I have tested a pile of arrows in my life, and I wasn't looking for typical markting BS numbers, and that I was interested to see what Beman says the specs are, and compare them to what they actually are.
08-03-2004, 05:45 PM
#18
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Posts: 178
RE: Arrow preference
The Easton Axis arrows are NEW they just came out last season and this is the first season they are available to the average bowhunter , but i really like what i have seen about them , in fact that is what i am gonna shoot this year ( Axis ST 340 ) i have been shooting them now a couple of months and they fly great , got some real good punch give'em a try .
the A/C/C by easton is the straighest but you better have your check book with ya . I added the quote because zak123 stated that the Easton Axis aren't as popular now ! I don't know what he meant by that statement , due to the fact that this is the first year they will be out there for us to hunt with .
the A/C/C by easton is the straighest but you better have your check book with ya . I added the quote because zak123 stated that the Easton Axis aren't as popular now ! I don't know what he meant by that statement , due to the fact that this is the first year they will be out there for us to hunt with .
ORIGINAL: zak123
The Easton Axis arrows aren't as popular now. The Gold Tip arrows are great, and so are the Carbon Express arrows.
The Easton Axis arrows aren't as popular now. The Gold Tip arrows are great, and so are the Carbon Express arrows.
The Easton Axis arrows aren't as popular now
08-04-2004, 08:16 AM
#20
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SC USA
Posts: 1,434
RE: Arrow preference
I have been shooting Axis since March and have had mixed results with them !
Just ordered a dozen GT Pro Hunters........so I'll have to get back to you after they get here and I fletch them up ....and start shooting !!
Just ordered a dozen GT Pro Hunters........so I'll have to get back to you after they get here and I fletch them up ....and start shooting !!