Interesting and well written article.
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,322
Well Muley Hunter, they have to pay conservation officers, pay for the land, pay for upkeep of the land, pay for animal research, and a vast number of other things. So I would have to agree they care about money because it is something the DOW is always in very short supply of if you look at things from a financial point of view. Most sates are extremely short on the number of officers that they actually need.
As to the article, I myself am not really that into inlines though they are leaps and bounds ahead of most all sidelocks in the dependability and accuracy departments. I just enjoy my old smokers more. But I would never go against anyone wanting to use them as I am probably going to be getting into them more myself with my eyes going all wonky. I just couldn't bring myself to put a scope on any of my old smokers.
As to the article, I myself am not really that into inlines though they are leaps and bounds ahead of most all sidelocks in the dependability and accuracy departments. I just enjoy my old smokers more. But I would never go against anyone wanting to use them as I am probably going to be getting into them more myself with my eyes going all wonky. I just couldn't bring myself to put a scope on any of my old smokers.
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
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#13
Well Muley Hunter, they have to pay conservation officers, pay for the land, pay for upkeep of the land, pay for animal research, and a vast number of other things. So I would have to agree they care about money because it is something the DOW is always in very short supply of if you look at things from a financial point of view. Most sates are extremely short on the number of officers that they actually need.
As to the article, I myself am not really that into inlines though they are leaps and bounds ahead of most all sidelocks in the dependability and accuracy departments. I just enjoy my old smokers more. But I would never go against anyone wanting to use them as I am probably going to be getting into them more myself with my eyes going all wonky. I just couldn't bring myself to put a scope on any of my old smokers.
As to the article, I myself am not really that into inlines though they are leaps and bounds ahead of most all sidelocks in the dependability and accuracy departments. I just enjoy my old smokers more. But I would never go against anyone wanting to use them as I am probably going to be getting into them more myself with my eyes going all wonky. I just couldn't bring myself to put a scope on any of my old smokers.
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,322
6.1B over 50 states is minimal to down right tiny. Think about the vast areas they manage/oversee. All the research they have to do on a yearly basis to figure the health and numbers of game animals. It's a daunting task for that amount of money. I know it's hard to imagine any amount of money ending in billion being a minimal amount. But if you look at it in a country wide aspect overseeing millions of acres, millions of hunters, and 100's of millions of game animals you might just begin to understand the very hard task the DOW has.
#16
37 days of hunting any deer compared to our 11 day and another 11 day for ML AFTER all firearms are over.
I think i would rather have the 37 day free for all vs mine. We use the same tags for both. We dont get any extra deer during our ML deer season. Ive probably hunted the firearms season with a ML more than ive hunted it with a CF.
Anytime i want to hunt primitive i could put in for a managed hunt and almost certainly get a tag for it. Those hunts get a tiny fraction of the applications that the "any" ML hunts get.
As far as the NMLRA, just try to be competitive with a off the shelf sidelock. The long range events are dominated by $2000+ customs that "look" primitive. I cant say there is very much primitive about a platinum nippled Badger barreled Gibbs clone or the plethora of multi thousand dollar rifles at the long range events.
The "old guard" at the NMLRA are terrified of a inline that cost half as much and shooting just as well or better as their so called "primitives".
I think i would rather have the 37 day free for all vs mine. We use the same tags for both. We dont get any extra deer during our ML deer season. Ive probably hunted the firearms season with a ML more than ive hunted it with a CF.
Anytime i want to hunt primitive i could put in for a managed hunt and almost certainly get a tag for it. Those hunts get a tiny fraction of the applications that the "any" ML hunts get.
As far as the NMLRA, just try to be competitive with a off the shelf sidelock. The long range events are dominated by $2000+ customs that "look" primitive. I cant say there is very much primitive about a platinum nippled Badger barreled Gibbs clone or the plethora of multi thousand dollar rifles at the long range events.
The "old guard" at the NMLRA are terrified of a inline that cost half as much and shooting just as well or better as their so called "primitives".
#17
Thanks, Barnes Addict. That is a good read.
i'm on several muzzleloader sites. Some conventional muzzleloader advocates stumble along in a make believe world, preaching to the choir and acting as if 90 percent of muzzle loader users do not exist. One site in particular has several cantankerous and hateful individuals who take pride in insulting/off putting new posters.
Got into muzzleloaders in the early 1960s. Had a great mentor who was also a gunsmith and renowned marksman. "Uncle Joe" had lost his drivers license and i drove him to his first match in a couple years. A few shooters walked off when he showed up. One man made the comment "we heard Uncle Joe had passed away".
My mentor warned me about the re-enactors and HC dress up folks. i was invited to a rendezvous and made the mistake of walking between some high panjandrum and the fire and got scolded. Gave up the Civil War re-enacting and gave away my dress up stuff.
Fort Sill changed the rules on hunting with muzzleloaders a few years ago because military retirees were killing too many deer in the two week muzzleloader season. Active duty soldiers, unable to hunt during the work week, were getting short changed. As a result only conventional muzzleloaders may be used. No fire sights, no scopes, no sabots. Conicals or round balls only are allowed.
i'm on several muzzleloader sites. Some conventional muzzleloader advocates stumble along in a make believe world, preaching to the choir and acting as if 90 percent of muzzle loader users do not exist. One site in particular has several cantankerous and hateful individuals who take pride in insulting/off putting new posters.
Got into muzzleloaders in the early 1960s. Had a great mentor who was also a gunsmith and renowned marksman. "Uncle Joe" had lost his drivers license and i drove him to his first match in a couple years. A few shooters walked off when he showed up. One man made the comment "we heard Uncle Joe had passed away".
My mentor warned me about the re-enactors and HC dress up folks. i was invited to a rendezvous and made the mistake of walking between some high panjandrum and the fire and got scolded. Gave up the Civil War re-enacting and gave away my dress up stuff.
Fort Sill changed the rules on hunting with muzzleloaders a few years ago because military retirees were killing too many deer in the two week muzzleloader season. Active duty soldiers, unable to hunt during the work week, were getting short changed. As a result only conventional muzzleloaders may be used. No fire sights, no scopes, no sabots. Conicals or round balls only are allowed.
#18
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boncarbo,Colorado
Posts: 9,186
Traditional or inline, all new shooters need someone to help guide them along the way. I've got 2 new traditional shooters under my belt this year. One of them was my shooting partner at the last rendezvous.
#19
Spike
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location:
Posts: 27
What don't help matters any, are that the clowns are running the circus. Scaring all the youngsters away, and discouraging talented New inline shooters at Friendship.
No different than the old traditional bowhunters that are stuck in their ways. I know, because I used to be one of them. And it takes one, to know one!
Get the clowns out of there, and things will change. That, or it will die an appropriate slow death, as the clowns suck the life out of it.
No different than the old traditional bowhunters that are stuck in their ways. I know, because I used to be one of them. And it takes one, to know one!
Get the clowns out of there, and things will change. That, or it will die an appropriate slow death, as the clowns suck the life out of it.