Chpt. #3 Sabotless Shooting
01-24-2014, 06:09 PM
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01-24-2014, 06:23 PM
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Ok, this is the bullet you are talking about?
http://www.lehighbullets.com/proddet...prod=500%2D200
You may have stated it, but since they are built to withstand big rifles, will the hollowpoint open up at muzzleloading velocities?
http://www.lehighbullets.com/proddet...prod=500%2D200
You may have stated it, but since they are built to withstand big rifles, will the hollowpoint open up at muzzleloading velocities?
The nose on this bullet and the .458-305 is heavier and does require more energy to open than do the bullets built by Lehigh for Knight and sold as Bloodlines. The Bloodline bullets are built directly for a wide range of muzzleloaders and ML shooters...
Not all ML shooters are willing to shot these 100+ grain loads to get the need velocity for these heavy nose bullets.
Then minimum velocity for the operation of the nose is somewhere around 1200 fps. That is the mathematical calculated number. Grouse has shot them in the testing mode in the 900-1000 fps and the nose has opened as planned.
On the opposite end... I shot a 5x4 Whitetail this year at about 50 yards with a .458x305 with the heavy nose... all the time thinking I am shooting an elk bullet @ elk velocities at a small thin skinned Whitetail - I was worried the bullet would run right through and never get time to expand. No worries it worked just fine.
01-25-2014, 04:38 AM
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Another great report SL. 
I also find it interesting how little deviation there is in your speeds. Sounds like that sub base is the ticket.
I wonder if the sub base would be better or worse than an over powder wad on other conicals?
Based on what you have here...I wouldn't hesitate to use that load on elk. Probably be pretty awesome out to 200 anyhow.
I also find it interesting how little deviation there is in your speeds. Sounds like that sub base is the ticket. I wonder if the sub base would be better or worse than an over powder wad on other conicals?
Based on what you have here...I wouldn't hesitate to use that load on elk. Probably be pretty awesome out to 200 anyhow.
01-25-2014, 08:00 AM
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I have cut off the petals of the plastic part of sabots to use as a sub base for the same purpose. Seems like I would have to stick to those if I were using flat based lead conicals? Does anyone make sub bases for flat based bullets? Would save a lot of work! Also I am trying to stay with the lowest powder charges that will bet the job done, for a couple of reasons: price of powder, recoil shy, and my neck doesn't like the bigger charges.
I like the idea of the sub base with the nose cone for bullets with a rear bell. Bet they would work with bullets like FPBs, thors, and great plains as well? Might even make T/C guns with a QLA to work better with conicals?
Do you know the outside diameter of the 52 and 54 cal bloodline bullets? However, sounds like the heavier ones will open up if you push them fast enough
I like the idea of the sub base with the nose cone for bullets with a rear bell. Bet they would work with bullets like FPBs, thors, and great plains as well? Might even make T/C guns with a QLA to work better with conicals?
Do you know the outside diameter of the 52 and 54 cal bloodline bullets? However, sounds like the heavier ones will open up if you push them fast enough
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01-25-2014, 08:41 AM
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Does anyone make sub bases for flat based bullets?
Would save a lot of work! Also I am trying to stay with the lowest powder charges that will bet the job done, for a couple of reasons: price of powder, recoil shy, and my neck doesn't like the bigger charges.
I like the idea of the sub base with the nose cone for bullets with a rear bell. Bet they would work with bullets like FPBs, thors, and great plains as well? Might even make T/C guns with a QLA to work better with conicals?
All of the bullets I am using are flat based, both the Lehigh's and the Barnes bullets.
Do you know the outside diameter of the 52 and 54 cal bloodline bullets?
However, sounds like the heavier ones will open up if you push them fast enough
01-25-2014, 08:43 AM
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Another great report SL. I also find it interesting how little deviation there is in your speeds. Sounds like that sub base is the ticket.
I wonder if the sub base would be better or worse than an over powder wad on other conicals?
Based on what you have here...I wouldn't hesitate to use that load on elk. Probably be pretty awesome out to 200 anyhow.
I also find it interesting how little deviation there is in your speeds. Sounds like that sub base is the ticket. I wonder if the sub base would be better or worse than an over powder wad on other conicals?
Based on what you have here...I wouldn't hesitate to use that load on elk. Probably be pretty awesome out to 200 anyhow.
01-25-2014, 01:31 PM
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Do you know if they make the sub-base for .54 cal?
01-25-2014, 01:41 PM
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No just for the 50... I wish he would make a 45 also but there are so few 45s on the market... It costs him an arm and a leg to make something new. Buying the molds an the equipment is really pricey...