Magnum round?
#1
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 33
Magnum round?
I really love black powder hunting. And would like to do it more, but I just don't like the range I am limited to with one. My boss was telling me about magnum rounds. I am guessing that's 150 grains of powder instead of the traditional 2? How much farther can I get with a magnum round? What is the increase in recoil? I shoot with a .50 Knight, that uses disc primers. It's no an inline but has a bolt.
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Yucca Valley,Ca
Posts: 2,496
X2 on what Chet said.most modern M/L rifles prefer 90-110 gr.accurate rifles with 150 gr charge are rare.start low and move up in 5 gr increments until accuracy falls off.you will know when you have found the sweet spot
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,425
A Knight Disc is an inline...The term inline means the primer is "in line" with the powder charge, unlike side hammers...
How far do you want to be able to shoot??? How accurate are you out to 150 yards???
My Knight Disc will stay inside of 3-4 inches at 150 with 80grs of Goex FFF and a 300gr .429 Hornady XTP...That's further than most deer are taken, even with centerfire rifles...With more work, I could go to 200, I just set up so I'll see deer within 150 yards and I'm good to go...
Unless you are hunting power lines or the flat country in southeast Virginia that Knight will do all you need with powder charges from 80-100grs...Mine doesn't like more than that anyway...
How far do you want to be able to shoot??? How accurate are you out to 150 yards???
My Knight Disc will stay inside of 3-4 inches at 150 with 80grs of Goex FFF and a 300gr .429 Hornady XTP...That's further than most deer are taken, even with centerfire rifles...With more work, I could go to 200, I just set up so I'll see deer within 150 yards and I'm good to go...
Unless you are hunting power lines or the flat country in southeast Virginia that Knight will do all you need with powder charges from 80-100grs...Mine doesn't like more than that anyway...
#5
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
Well first off you need a gun that is trust worthy for heavy loads, i use a Encore endeavor then you need a powder you can load heavy and still get accuracy I use Blackhorn it has not been out long enough to take over its share of the market yet.
To give you some idea of the potency 150 gr of pyrodex and 120 grains of Blackhorn give a vary similar result. For me it makes a big difference to use a high BC bullet like the Shock Wave I prefer the 250 Bonded. I use a laser range finder and a BDC scope [the Omega Nikon] with this combination I can normally expect to hit a 10 inch gong at 245 yds. Where I live now my longest shot opportunity is 220 yds so that does me fine.
To give you some idea of the potency 150 gr of pyrodex and 120 grains of Blackhorn give a vary similar result. For me it makes a big difference to use a high BC bullet like the Shock Wave I prefer the 250 Bonded. I use a laser range finder and a BDC scope [the Omega Nikon] with this combination I can normally expect to hit a 10 inch gong at 245 yds. Where I live now my longest shot opportunity is 220 yds so that does me fine.
#6
If you are wanting to shoot long range, I would suggest trying the 200 grain .40 cal Shockwaves. If you are using pellets now, you can try them and see if you get good accuracy, but if I were you I would start off your 200 Shockwave on top of 100 grains loose powder and work your way up in 5 grain increments until accuracy starts to fade out. I would not use more than 120 grains of loose powder. The 200 Shockwave is about as flat-shooting as you can get with muzzys - on top of 100 - 120 grains of powder (as long as you have good accuracy) you should have a flat enough trajectory and enough energy for deer hunting out to at least 180 yards (200 + with practice).
#7
Only your rifle will tell you what kind of powder charge it wants. I have not seem too many that shoot 3 pellets as well as 2 pellets. And 2 pellets is a good strong load. Even out to 200 yards.
Instead worry about what bullet is best for long range. The Shockwave 200 gr mentioned should be a good long range bullet. Barnes makes some great bullets. Lehigh are said to be good long range bullets also. Then you have Scorpions that shoot well for me. Once you get the right bullet with the right powder charge, then practice and practice a little more. Long shots can be made if you put the time, and effort into learning them.
Instead worry about what bullet is best for long range. The Shockwave 200 gr mentioned should be a good long range bullet. Barnes makes some great bullets. Lehigh are said to be good long range bullets also. Then you have Scorpions that shoot well for me. Once you get the right bullet with the right powder charge, then practice and practice a little more. Long shots can be made if you put the time, and effort into learning them.
#9
I used a Magnum Load as soon as they made a Magnum MLer, I figured Bigger was Better. My Accuracy Suffered a little but I could still get a decent group out to 100+ Yds. I put a Woopin on the Deer when it hit them. My Shoulder Really Sufferd also when I used to shoot about 15 rounds through it I'd get a Black and Blue Shoulder from it, I'd Cringe at the next shot but I though it was Cool to shoot 150grs of Powder, everyone knew when I shot when we were Hunting, then I got Smarter
I learned that with 150gr's of Powder not only was My Accuracy and Shoulder Suffering (and Im a Big Guy 6'6" 240=) but My Mler was Suffering too because I was just blowing out some of the Powder and Not Burning it all and this was'nt the Best Load for My MLer.
I started playing around with Lose Powder (Pyrodox RS) and started off around 90grs and finally found out My MLer liked 110grs the Best and I shot 1"groups at 100yds and I could shoot just as far with 110 as I did with 150 but shot a-lot better.
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I learned that with 150gr's of Powder not only was My Accuracy and Shoulder Suffering (and Im a Big Guy 6'6" 240=) but My Mler was Suffering too because I was just blowing out some of the Powder and Not Burning it all and this was'nt the Best Load for My MLer.
I started playing around with Lose Powder (Pyrodox RS) and started off around 90grs and finally found out My MLer liked 110grs the Best and I shot 1"groups at 100yds and I could shoot just as far with 110 as I did with 150 but shot a-lot better.
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