I'm in a quantry
06-13-2011, 02:49 AM
#11
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 921
You should buy the whole Renegade, and shoot a PRB out of the stock .54 barrel. You might be shocked at how accurate it is with the right load.
Much easier to hunt with it than the longer, heavier GM barrel. I have a GM 1-70 32"barrel for mine, and won't use it for hunting.
2" group all day with open sights, and a PRB at your 75 yds.
Much easier to hunt with it than the longer, heavier GM barrel. I have a GM 1-70 32"barrel for mine, and won't use it for hunting.
2" group all day with open sights, and a PRB at your 75 yds.
Mind sharing your PRB load, etc. with me? I struggling with my stock 54 Rene barrel & a PRB.
Thanks,
06-13-2011, 05:32 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
The PRB is the most effective, I have had both the sabot barrel is no more effective than in a 50 but the PRB is the most effective of the PRB calibers it is the flattest shooting and if you load it right it put most well hit deer down on the spot. I use 110 gr RS in the 1in 48 twist 120 in the 1 in 66 twist and 130 in the 1 in 80 twist. I have been using a 54 PRB since 1980 and have taken deer boar and black bear with it as well as using it in long range competition at 177 yds.
My advice is that a 50 for sabots is good but the 54 is best with PRB.
My advice is that a 50 for sabots is good but the 54 is best with PRB.
06-13-2011, 07:43 AM
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
After trying a boatload of ball/patch combos. It likes the most common one of all. .530 ball and a .015 patch. I can squash a pillow ticking .018 in, but I feel like i'm deforming the ball to do it, so I stick to .015. I use cast pure lead balls. I cut the patch at the muzzle.
I have two powder loads. I like Swiss 2F 75 gr. It's a strong powder, and probably equal to 90 gr of Goex 2F.
Sometimes i'll run out of Swiss before I can afford to buy another case. When that happens i'll use 85 gr of Pyrodex 2F. If I try to use 90 gr the group starts to open. The same with more Swiss.
I find my loads for my gun are the most accurate. Less or more opens the group. Very little, but still not as accurate.
Now, some guys will give up a little accuracy to have a more powerful load for hunting. I might too if I thought my loads wouldn't get the job done.
With my eyesight, and open sights. My loads will kill deer and elk if shot placement is where it should be. That's why I want the most accurate load. Shot placement is more important to me than blowing off a shoulder. A double lung will get you meat every time. Nick the heart along with the double lung. All the better.
No guarantee the same load will work for your gun. I burned a lot of powder to get mine. I started out with 60gr and went up to 100gr in 5gr increments. I shot two 5 shot groups at 25-50-75 yds. I did shoot 100yds too, but my eyesight is too bad to use the results.
Hope that helps.
06-13-2011, 06:02 PM
#15
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 921
Sure. I found out one thing about my gun, that might not be the same in yours. It doesn't like heavy loads. A lot of conversations have gone on about the shallow rifling in the TC 1-48 twist barrels. With that in mind. I use this:
After trying a boatload of ball/patch combos. It likes the most common one of all. .530 ball and a .015 patch. I can squash a pillow ticking .018 in, but I feel like i'm deforming the ball to do it, so I stick to .015. I use cast pure lead balls. I cut the patch at the muzzle.
I have two powder loads. I like Swiss 2F 75 gr. It's a strong powder, and probably equal to 90 gr of Goex 2F.
Sometimes i'll run out of Swiss before I can afford to buy another case. When that happens i'll use 85 gr of Pyrodex 2F. If I try to use 90 gr the group starts to open. The same with more Swiss.
I find my loads for my gun are the most accurate. Less or more opens the group. Very little, but still not as accurate.
Now, some guys will give up a little accuracy to have a more powerful load for hunting. I might too if I thought my loads wouldn't get the job done.
With my eyesight, and open sights. My loads will kill deer and elk if shot placement is where it should be. That's why I want the most accurate load. Shot placement is more important to me than blowing off a shoulder. A double lung will get you meat every time. Nick the heart along with the double lung. All the better.
No guarantee the same load will work for your gun. I burned a lot of powder to get mine. I started out with 60gr and went up to 100gr in 5gr increments. I shot two 5 shot groups at 25-50-75 yds. I did shoot 100yds too, but my eyesight is too bad to use the results.
Hope that helps.
After trying a boatload of ball/patch combos. It likes the most common one of all. .530 ball and a .015 patch. I can squash a pillow ticking .018 in, but I feel like i'm deforming the ball to do it, so I stick to .015. I use cast pure lead balls. I cut the patch at the muzzle.
I have two powder loads. I like Swiss 2F 75 gr. It's a strong powder, and probably equal to 90 gr of Goex 2F.
Sometimes i'll run out of Swiss before I can afford to buy another case. When that happens i'll use 85 gr of Pyrodex 2F. If I try to use 90 gr the group starts to open. The same with more Swiss.
I find my loads for my gun are the most accurate. Less or more opens the group. Very little, but still not as accurate.
Now, some guys will give up a little accuracy to have a more powerful load for hunting. I might too if I thought my loads wouldn't get the job done.
With my eyesight, and open sights. My loads will kill deer and elk if shot placement is where it should be. That's why I want the most accurate load. Shot placement is more important to me than blowing off a shoulder. A double lung will get you meat every time. Nick the heart along with the double lung. All the better.
No guarantee the same load will work for your gun. I burned a lot of powder to get mine. I started out with 60gr and went up to 100gr in 5gr increments. I shot two 5 shot groups at 25-50-75 yds. I did shoot 100yds too, but my eyesight is too bad to use the results.
Hope that helps.
This gives me something to work with. I'm shooting Pyro RS. I'm guessing around 85 grns would be right. I can't find any real Black Powder around so this is all I have.
06-13-2011, 06:14 PM
#16
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Pyro is fine if it works in your gun. It burns much cleaner than BP.
When I use Pyro I make sure to lean the gun in the direction of the nipple and bang on the barrel to get the powder to into the flash channel. If I forget i'll get a delayed fire sometimes.
Other than that. Pyro works good. Try to shoot it up though. I don't feel it has a long shelf life.
When I use Pyro I make sure to lean the gun in the direction of the nipple and bang on the barrel to get the powder to into the flash channel. If I forget i'll get a delayed fire sometimes.
Other than that. Pyro works good. Try to shoot it up though. I don't feel it has a long shelf life.
