50calty

Well in my latest posts I've wrote about how my TC Bone Collector hasn't shot very well. So when I went to the range I decieded to back down the powder. Prev. I was using 100 grains of BH209 with the 300 grain XTP Mag/Crushed Rib Sabot. The only thing that I changed was how much powder I was using. The first pic was at fifty yards using 80 grains of BH209. And the second pic was at 100 yards. Now most of the shots are in a 3 inch group, but I know that this rifle can do better. I did clean the gun before moving to 100 yards. What I worry about is if it spreads like that at 100, what will 200 yards be like? If I increased the powder charge would the group shrink? Also digging in the dirt bank I found some bullets that didn't mushroom like they are suppose to. Now at 100 grains they performed great. So I'm wondering if I don't have enough velocity for this heavy bullet. Now someone please correct me if I am wrong here. Blackhorn209 you can only using a max of 120 grains. In Pyro and 777 you can shoot 150 grains. So in my head I figured that 1 grain of BH209 equals 1.25 grains of "norm"(777, Pyro, Goex) black powder. So using 80 grains of BH209 is equal to 100 grains of "norm" black powder. Is this right and if so shouldnt that be enough knock down power for most big game? I may go back out at shoot tonight and/or in the morning.

cayugad

I am sure that is plenty of knock down power. Have you ever tried Shockwaves? I would give the 250 and 200 grain a chance. If your hunting whitetails they do work.

Are you shooting a scope?

50calty

I mainly hunt mulies and elk. Not that much for whitetail hunting in montana. So for elk I don't know if the 250 would cut it. I'm using a scope also.

cayugad

I think I would try a different powder. Maybe some Pyrodex RS. That's a dirty powder but it is a consistent powder. Or maybe you have to go up on your Blackhorn loads and try 110 or 120 grain and test some different bullets.

ronlaughlin

Myself, i would never use shockwaves on Elk. I just don't think they are up to it. These Nosler would be up to it, and perhaps the Gold Dot.

50calty

Well I wasn't able to go out tonight due to the rain, but hopefully I can go out in the morning. This spring with the 100 grains I was able to get a inch group, but the 100 grains dont seem to work anymore. Maybe I'll try 90 grains in the morining. Its nice that fall is coming and the mornings are cool. Hunting season is coming closer and I dont know if I have the time/money to try different bullets this season. If I can't get a closer group at 100 yards, I just may have to limit my shots at 100 and nothing beyond. I figure if I have 3inch group at 100 that would increase to 6 inches. Which still is in the kill zone but I would like a 1 inch group and 100 yards and a 2-3 inch group at 200. So I guess I just will have to play with it and thats have the fun with a muzzleloader. I dont know what it is with my luck, but every new gun I buy it takes me about two seasons to get a feel and load for it.

sabotloader

50calty

Well, I am totally guessing here but I will give you a thought...

But, first your Triumph should shoot the XTP with about any load you want shoot to about 130 grains and have great accuracy...

But here is what I am thinking.... your new bone collector with the new sharp lands has built up a some plastic fouling in the grooves allowing the sabot to slip up the bore with out turning early in the bottom of the bore by the time it leaves the bore it is rotating but not fast enough to have good stabilization.

The easy way to get rid of plastic fouling is to remove the barrel from the rifle and flush boiling hot water down the bore... the water will melt the pastic of the lands and grooves - when you get down you will be able to look down the bore and see it hanging there. Then scrub the heck out of the bore to remove it... but at least now you will not slip over it....

I have write-up some where about doing this process if you might be interested let me know....

The method - get some JB's Bore paste and scrub the heck out of the bore with a bore mop or bore brush I really prefer the mop.

You can look down the clean bore now even drop a bore light in and it will look bright and clean - you just can not see the fouling.

The more you shoot the bore and smooth out the lands - the less plastic fouling you will get especially with the new ploymere sabots. Running the JB's will also polish and smooth the lands...

Good luck I hope you get the gun shooting the way I know a Triumph can shoot.

muzzypower

experiment with some other sabots. I haven't read up on the bone collector/triumph very much so i don't know what the recommended loads are. In my experience, the right sabot and fit make all the difference.

50calty

Well I went back out today and seen if I could do any better. I had a picture of my target but deleted it on the camera by mistake. The 80 grains did the same thing today as yesterday. So I decieded to try 85 grains. What a difference five grains made. From a three inch group it shrunk down to 1.5 to 2 inch group. Still not exactly what I want but atleast its better. I never thought about the bore and plastic fouling. So SABOTLOADER------ If I just kept shooting would it eventually remove the lands. Or do I need to clean it with the boiling water? Yea if you want I wouldnt mind seeing the steps in how to do it. I don't know if i want to use JB but if the water trick would work or something else I would diff. use it. So I'm still in the kill zone no matter what so I'm not that hesitant on using it for hunting season. I am happy that I didn't have no flyers outside the 3 inch circle, even when I pulled a shot. Anyways, sabotloader if you have those instructions I might try it out this week and head back out to the range on the weekend.

MountainDevil54

Im not sure if you'd want to spend the money but Ultra Bore Coat really helps keep plastic,lead and copper fouling away. After you do the bore you just use a nylon brush with your usual cleaning solvent and what ever kind of fouling that is in the bore is greatly reduced and comes out easily. Ive done 3 rifles so far, one still waiting to be fired and its pretty amazing stuff to be honest.