777 or blackhorn 209??
08-06-2010, 11:43 AM
#1
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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777 or blackhorn 209??
my wife got me a new muzzloader for this year and i was thinking of switching powders. i shot 777 in my old gun but thought i might give blackhorn a try. has anyone tried it?, and is it worth the higher cost? around here 777 is $19.99 a pound and blackhorn 209 is $29.99 for 10oz. also are the 777 primers any good at stopping the crud ring? thanks for any help.
08-06-2010, 12:21 PM
#3
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
Well I do like BlackHorn 209 but it behaves a little different then the other sub powders. You clean the rifle like a center fire.. with solvent and brushes. It is a very clean powder to shoot. You do not have to swab. Make sure you compress your load very firmly on the powder charge. It is a powerful powder and seems to be sabot friendly.
Would I use it for the difference in price??? If I sighted in my rifle and then shot just a few times a year and during hunting season, yes I would pay the extra. Also get the hottest primer like Winchester W209 to fire BlackHorn 209.
What I would suggest is get a pound of each and with your new rifle compare how they shoot with each powder. Both are great powders. I can not get BlackHorn 209 locally, so I do not shoot it unless I happen to make a trip to the big city and pick up a couple jugs.
Would I use it for the difference in price??? If I sighted in my rifle and then shot just a few times a year and during hunting season, yes I would pay the extra. Also get the hottest primer like Winchester W209 to fire BlackHorn 209.
What I would suggest is get a pound of each and with your new rifle compare how they shoot with each powder. Both are great powders. I can not get BlackHorn 209 locally, so I do not shoot it unless I happen to make a trip to the big city and pick up a couple jugs.
08-06-2010, 08:08 PM
#5
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Give it a try and see if you like it.
Just make sure you start with a totally oil free barrel and DONT swab for at least 20 shots.
And then i only use a dry or slightly damp patch if i must.
Firm and consistent bullet/sabot seating on the powder helps. I prefer a medium to snug sabot fit. Almost everyone usually recommends mag primers but some guns are fine with plain win209s. All of mine ignite fine with Win209s or any standard primer that fits.
Its worth it to me most of the time but i still keep other loose powders on hand. It beats the hell outta pellets IMO in every way. I stock up when its on sale at local T7 pricing or better.
Do T7s stop the crud ring?....maybe less than the strongest primers but Rem STSs didnt seem any worse to me in that area. The only reason i occasionally use T7s is they fit better in mine.
Your mileage may vary.
Just make sure you start with a totally oil free barrel and DONT swab for at least 20 shots.
And then i only use a dry or slightly damp patch if i must.Firm and consistent bullet/sabot seating on the powder helps. I prefer a medium to snug sabot fit. Almost everyone usually recommends mag primers but some guns are fine with plain win209s. All of mine ignite fine with Win209s or any standard primer that fits.
Its worth it to me most of the time but i still keep other loose powders on hand. It beats the hell outta pellets IMO in every way. I stock up when its on sale at local T7 pricing or better.
Do T7s stop the crud ring?....maybe less than the strongest primers but Rem STSs didnt seem any worse to me in that area. The only reason i occasionally use T7s is they fit better in mine.
Your mileage may vary.
08-07-2010, 07:22 AM
#7
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 136
i will be shooting a tc omega z5 and i've got a trditions yukon that may be pulled into service as well. i'll only be shooting enough to set my scope, then just when i see something to shoot at. its getting kinda agravating trying to get the crud ring out every shot or two when setting a scope. thanks
08-07-2010, 11:52 AM
#9
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kerrville, Tx. USA
Posts: 2,722
The Omega will definately shoot BH 209 well. I use it in my Omega. Not sure about the traditions. Only certain guns with certain breechplug configurations will shoot it. The old style inline bolt rifles are not recommended for BH 209.