Gettin' Ready For the Hunt
#21
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boncarbo,Colorado
Posts: 9,186
I have been shooting my Traditions Pursuit and started usinig the BH209 with a barnes T-EZ 245gr. bullet. I had read on here somewhere that it was recommended to start with 120gr. of powder due to the bullet being fairly long and helping it stabilize in flight. The trigger pull on my gun is outrageous! I have also read on here that the Traditions is notorious for this and that messing with the trigger can cause it to be pretty dangerous. I am stuck with the gun for now as I dont want to spend the money to replace it. With the bullet/powder set up it is kicking like a mule. So far I have been able to overcome the flinching and have gotten some pretty nice groups, but I can only shoot it about twenty times before my shoulder feels like burger. It seems like it takes an enternity to pull that dang trigger and when it goes off, OUCH! I am a pretty big fellar and can take a lot of pain, but I am just being honest here. Since you all were talking about flinching and all, do any of you experience fellas have any suggestions? My obvious inclination is to start using less powder and seeing how the gun responds, but wanted to get the set up dialed in before I start switching powder amount. Any help would be appreciated. Budman-
#22
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Orange County, Virginia....
Posts: 556
Thanks Lemoyne, MD54. I have been shooting a 7mm Mag for fifteen years and its never kicked as bad as that Pursuit. One of my problems is that the bench I have been shooting off of is kind of low and even with my sandbags I have to hunch over to shoot. Thats probably the main problem as it is doing as Lemoyne described. I was definitely planning on calling Traditions to see what they had to say about the trigger issue, but was hoping someone with a similar experience would be able shed some light. I went and did a search and some of the older Posts stated that messing with the trigger made the gun unsafe. I might do a seperate Post and see what comes up. Thanks again to you both and take care, Budman-
#24
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
Went up and shot off the stick again today right at 102 yard. After i made the first three shots on this target, i quit shooing at it. Did it with the Accura which has a peep sight, and the load was 105g BH209 lit by a W209 primer, pushing a 300g Gold Dot in a smooth Harvester sabot. Put the rifle in the yoke pretty close to the end of the forearm, and put the toe of the stick up against my toe, which puts the stick way out of plumb. The rifle waves back and forth across the target, and forcing me to 'squweeeze' isn't very easy. The hammer dropped with a 'surprise' twice, but the other time i could just so barely feel 'creep' of the trigger.
We get to use a scope out on the prairie from October 2 through 17, and from January 1 through 9. This rifle is set up nice the way it is, but i do have a scope on the shelf in the shop. That stainless model on sale has me looking. When she saw a picture of it in the catalog, wife said it was pretty. Was wanting to save dinero for a mill, but the price on the stainless rifle is pretty good, and it has a breech plug which requires a wrench, which i think i like just fine. I wrap my breech plugs with teflon tape, and this requires a wrench to remove, and install. Using teflon tape sure has worked out good for me, so it seems i should purchase the 'old' model while it is available. A mill in the shop would be helpful, and be very interesting to make friends with, and fun to learn.
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#25
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
Went up into the hills and did some shooting today. Took some new and some old. The load was 105g BH209 ignited by W209 primer pushing 300g 45 caliber XTP in a Harvester short black sabot. Same old Accura with a peep sight mounted, but inserted was a brand new home made breech plug. Instead of shooting off the stick, i took 50calty suggestion and shot off a Vanguard B62 bi-pod. The target was near 102 yard; looking back to the truck was this view.
The bi-pod really allowed me to learn good trigger control, and worked much better than the mono-pod did. It won't be hardly any different to carry hunting than the mono-pod. After 5 shots, the target looked like this.
When the second shot went off the rifle was pointed high right, and i didn't really intend for that to be the shot, but the trigger squeeze made it go bang right then. Once, i forgot to insert the new primer, and was pleased that the trigger released with a smooth pull, and was a great surprise with zero flinch. The bi-pod was much easier for me to use than the mono-pod. I was tempted to see if i could do good with the mono-pod, but didn't want to test my newly learned handling of the trigger. Here is the target after 10 shots.
Here is the breech area of the Accura after 10 shots.
After returning home here is what the breech plug looked like.
The mono-pod would be some easier to carry hunting than the bi-pod, but i felt so much more calm and relaxed shooting off the bi-pod. It felt like i could almost shoot as good standing up using the bi-pod, as i can shoot off a bench, sitting down, with a perfect rest. This is only true when using a peep sight, because i can't see the front sight so very good anyway.
The bi-pod really allowed me to learn good trigger control, and worked much better than the mono-pod did. It won't be hardly any different to carry hunting than the mono-pod. After 5 shots, the target looked like this.
When the second shot went off the rifle was pointed high right, and i didn't really intend for that to be the shot, but the trigger squeeze made it go bang right then. Once, i forgot to insert the new primer, and was pleased that the trigger released with a smooth pull, and was a great surprise with zero flinch. The bi-pod was much easier for me to use than the mono-pod. I was tempted to see if i could do good with the mono-pod, but didn't want to test my newly learned handling of the trigger. Here is the target after 10 shots.
Here is the breech area of the Accura after 10 shots.
After returning home here is what the breech plug looked like.
The mono-pod would be some easier to carry hunting than the bi-pod, but i felt so much more calm and relaxed shooting off the bi-pod. It felt like i could almost shoot as good standing up using the bi-pod, as i can shoot off a bench, sitting down, with a perfect rest. This is only true when using a peep sight, because i can't see the front sight so very good anyway.
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Yucca Valley,Ca
Posts: 2,496
I have always used surveyors sticks, i carry them whenever i hunt. i think thier 48 inches long ( 2 )of them lay them on top of each other evenly and mark a spot to drill 6inches down from the top, i use a 5/16 bolt nut and washer and (1) wrap of electrical tape from bolt up so your rifle doesnt get scratched.u can shoot kneeling or sitting, they spread out to where you want them and the points dig into the soil. i glass off of mine also and they can be painted any color you like lol.they also make a great walking stick
#27
Nontypical Buck
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Rapid City, South Dakota
Posts: 3,732
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But, but i was shooting standing up, and my sticks were just a little too short. They were pivoted at 57 1/2"; i think because that way they fit cross ways across the back seat. Lathe would be too short for what i need.
But, but i was shooting standing up, and my sticks were just a little too short. They were pivoted at 57 1/2"; i think because that way they fit cross ways across the back seat. Lathe would be too short for what i need.
#28
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Yucca Valley,Ca
Posts: 2,496
builder459
But, but i was shooting standing up, and my sticks were just a little too short. They were pivoted at 57 1/2"; i think because that way they fit cross ways across the back seat. Lathe would be too short for what i need.
But, but i was shooting standing up, and my sticks were just a little too short. They were pivoted at 57 1/2"; i think because that way they fit cross ways across the back seat. Lathe would be too short for what i need.