how far
10-11-2009, 09:45 PM
#1
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: central Saskatchewan
Posts: 2
how far
i bought my first muzzleloader last fall and im wondering how far i can realistically shoot at a deer my equipment is a traditions pursuit xlt 3 - 9 scope 250 grain hornady, bullets and 2, 50 grain triple seven pellets. also wondering if i can up it to 3, 50 grain pellets.
10-12-2009, 04:04 AM
#3
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kerrville, Tx. USA
Posts: 2,722
There is really no one that can tell you the max range except yourself. As stated, practice and see. Remember to factor in excitement and less than optimal rests (no sandbags in the field). And also take a look at how much the wind affects muzzleloader bullets. These bullets go realatively slow and even a 10 mph wind will affect them.
FYI, my own personal max range is 150 yards. And that is after 15 years of hunting. I can't imagine ever going over 200 yards under absolute ideal conditions and a good scope.
FYI, my own personal max range is 150 yards. And that is after 15 years of hunting. I can't imagine ever going over 200 yards under absolute ideal conditions and a good scope.
10-12-2009, 04:11 AM
#4
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Comance county, OK
Posts: 11,409
Generally limit my shots to about 75 yards unless i have a good steady rest or a good prone or sitting position. Practice often at ranges longer than 100 yards and see what your personal limit is.
10-12-2009, 04:25 AM
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,607
My rule is this: Using the same set up as I would be using in the woods i.e. shooting sticks, resting off the side of a tree, out of a tree stand, out of a box stand, shoot 3 shot groups and see if you can keep them inside of 3 inches. If you can, then you should be good to shoot at game at that distance. Once you throw in the excitement your groups will open up to 4 or 5 inches I would guess.
10-12-2009, 04:35 AM
#6
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indiana
Posts: 667
My rule is this: Using the same set up as I would be using in the woods i.e. shooting sticks, resting off the side of a tree, out of a tree stand, out of a box stand, shoot 3 shot groups and see if you can keep them inside of 3 inches. If you can, then you should be good to shoot at game at that distance. Once you throw in the excitement your groups will open up to 4 or 5 inches I would guess.
10-12-2009, 06:10 AM
#7
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
Most of the modern muzzleloading projectiles will do the deed at some amazing ranges if placed properly. There are shooters connecting at over 200 yards. The key words are; placed properly. But for right now, I would limit my range in direct correlation to how far I have successfully shot acceptable groups under hunting conditions in practice. If your shooting at 100 yards, leaning against a tree in practice accurately, then presented a similar shot in the field, then take it. Would a 110 yards be OK.. that is up to you.
For instance, on my range I practice out to 100 yards. A lot of my shooting is done off a bench rest. But before season I change over to shooting sticks. I hunt from shooting sticks. I can hit my target from shooting sticks. But to be very honest, off hand I might not take the same shot. I have shot off hand or free hand and am not real impressed with my ability.
For instance, on my range I practice out to 100 yards. A lot of my shooting is done off a bench rest. But before season I change over to shooting sticks. I hunt from shooting sticks. I can hit my target from shooting sticks. But to be very honest, off hand I might not take the same shot. I have shot off hand or free hand and am not real impressed with my ability.
10-12-2009, 06:33 AM
#8
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: River Ridge, LA (Suburb of New Orleans)
Posts: 10,918
My personal limit with a scoped muzzle loader is 150 yards if I have a good solid rest, a relaxed deer, and a perfect broadside shot. Less than perfect conditions and I'm limited to 75 yards or so.
10-12-2009, 06:33 AM
#9
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
I think we all try to determine the range according to several things.
The accuracy which your gun is capable of,if you can get minute of angle groups with your hunting load then its probably more accurate than most people can shoot under field conditions.
The way you are sighted in. I personally believe in the 3 over to 3 under method so I sight in for 3 over at 100yds. With my hunting load that puts me 3 under at 200 yds.
[140gr BH a blue 50/40 sabot and a Shock Wave or Lehigh bullet 200gr]
I can shoot 100 yds off hand with confidence but will find a rest to go over that.
Know assuming that you are a good shot and sight in 3 inches high at 100 with your load you will be about dead on at 140 and 3 inches low at 160. Now guns vary so do people you need to check this out at the range, Hornady makes more than one 250gr I assume you are using the XTP if you are using the SST or the SW it will be shooting flatter.
AS for the number of pellets very few will shoot 3 accurately in fact most of us use loose because you can tune your accuracy better with the ability to change the powder load to what the gun likes. If you are getting close to inch groups at 100 yds then don't worry about it and don't change any thing.
ALSO THERE is the fact that you should not exceed there max amount in you operaters manual for that gun. The only Spanish barrel I would even consider using over 110 gr in is the Bergara.
The accuracy which your gun is capable of,if you can get minute of angle groups with your hunting load then its probably more accurate than most people can shoot under field conditions.
The way you are sighted in. I personally believe in the 3 over to 3 under method so I sight in for 3 over at 100yds. With my hunting load that puts me 3 under at 200 yds.
[140gr BH a blue 50/40 sabot and a Shock Wave or Lehigh bullet 200gr]
I can shoot 100 yds off hand with confidence but will find a rest to go over that.
Know assuming that you are a good shot and sight in 3 inches high at 100 with your load you will be about dead on at 140 and 3 inches low at 160. Now guns vary so do people you need to check this out at the range, Hornady makes more than one 250gr I assume you are using the XTP if you are using the SST or the SW it will be shooting flatter.
AS for the number of pellets very few will shoot 3 accurately in fact most of us use loose because you can tune your accuracy better with the ability to change the powder load to what the gun likes. If you are getting close to inch groups at 100 yds then don't worry about it and don't change any thing.
ALSO THERE is the fact that you should not exceed there max amount in you operaters manual for that gun. The only Spanish barrel I would even consider using over 110 gr in is the Bergara.
10-12-2009, 10:09 AM
#10
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: central Saskatchewan
Posts: 2
good info
thanx guys for the responses. the reason i asked was because i took my first ever shot at an animal with it last evening with a smoke pole. a real nice 165+ whitetail only problem was he was pushing 150 yards. needless to say i missed . i had a perfect broadside shot with shooting sticks and held right on the top of his back,. i had the gun sighted for 80 yards . guess i better hit the range and try some shots at longer ranges.