sabotloader

Here is another thought....

Look at this picture!



You guys tell me which bullets look like an aerodynamically designed bullet...

First two on the left are Nosler's .277/140 grain - 270 bullets... far left is a Partition, next is a Ballistic Tip...

The next three are ML bullets...

The bullet on the far right - the Parker just plane looks like an abortion - it is pointy but the body does not fit aerodynamically at all.

The second bullet from the right a 10mil/200 SW certainly has better lines.

But the best looking blonde of the all remains the Lehigh with the BT installed - but even without the Ballistic Tip it appears to have a more aerodynamic taper to it.

I know looks are not everything, but they certainly gets my attention first...

cayugad

Well its not deer season, but I'm sure you put the shivers & shakesin a 100 or more fruit pickers with that information.

Very nice shooting there. Those groups are hard to argue.

sabotloader

lemoyne

We were discussing that very thing earlier this afternoon!

cayugad

Does anyone know the twist rate in my White .451 caliber?

sabotloader

Dave

Busta said they are 1/20 - that would make them ideal for shooten 10mils in a sabot....

Grouse45

RIFLE MODEL CAL. TWIST RIFLE MODEL CAL. TWIST
CVA Apollo Carbelite 50/54 1:32 Traditions Buck Hunter 50 1:32
CVA Apollo Shadow 50/54 1:32 Traditions Buck Hunter 54 1:48
CVA Apollo Shadow SS 50/54 1:32 Traditions Buck Hunter Pro 50 1:32
CVA Apollo Sporter 50 1:32 Traditions Buckskinner Carbine 50 1:48
CVA Bobcat Rifle 50/54 1:48 Traditions Crockett Rifle 50 1:48
CVA Bushwacker 50 1:48 Traditions Deer Hunter 50/54 1:48
CVA Colorado MusketMag 50 1:32 Traditions E-Bolt 209 45 1:20
CVA Eclipse 209 Mag 45/50 1:28 Traditions E-Bolt 209 50 1:28
CVA Elipse 50 1:32 Traditions Evolution 50 1:28
CVA Firebolt 209 UltraMag 45/50 1:32 Traditions Evolution 54 1:48
CVA Frontier Carbine 50 1:48 Traditions Evolution LD 45 1:20
CVA Frontier Hunter 50 1:32 Traditions Evolution LD 50 1:28
CVA Hunterbolt 209 UltrMag 45/50 1:28 Traditions Evolution Premier 50 1:28
CVA Mountain Hunter 50 1:48 Traditions Hawken Mag Rifle 50 1:48
CVA Optima Pro 209 45/50 1:28 Traditions Hawken Rifle 50 1:48
CVA Panther Carbine 50/54 1:32 Traditions Hawken Woodsman 50/54 1:48
CVA Plainsman 50 1:48 Traditions Lighting Lightweight 50 1:28
CVA St. Louis Hawken 50/54 1:48 Traditions Lightning 45 LD 45 1:20
CVA Stag Horn 209 Mag 50 1:32 Traditions Lightning Bolt Action 50 1:28
CVA Stalker Carbine 50/54 1:32 Traditions Lightning Bolt Action 54 1:48
CVA Stalker Rifle 50 1:32 Traditions Lightning Fire Sidelock 50 1:32
CVA Tracker Carbine 50 1:32 Traditions Magnum Plains 50 1:32
CVA Trophy Carbine 50/54 1:32 Traditions Panther Rifle 50/54 1:48
CVA Woodsman 50 1:48 Traditions Pioneer 50 1:32
CVA Youth Hunter 50 1:48 Traditions Pursuit (All Models) 50 1:28
Traditions Thunder Bolt-Action 45 1:20
Knight American Knight 50 1:28 Traditions Thunder Bolt-Action 50 1:28
Knight Big Horn 50 1:28 Traditions Thunder Magnum 50 1:32
Knight DISC Elite 45 1:30 Traditions Tracker 209 45 1:20
Knight DISC Elite 50 1:28 Traditions Tracker 209 50 1:28
Knight DISC Extreme 45 1:30
Knight DISC Extreme 50 1:28 T/C Big Boar 58 1:48
Knight MHS DISC Extreme 45 1:30 T/C Black Diamond 50 1:28
Knight MHS DISC Extreme 50 1:28 T/C Black Diamond XR 45/50 1:28
Knight MK85 50/54 1:28 T/C Black Mountain Magnum 50 1:28
Knight Revolution 50 1:28 T/C Encore 290x45 Magnum 45 1:20
Knight T-Bolt 50 1:28 T/C Encore 290x45 Magnum 45 1:28
Knight Wolverine 50/54 1:28 T/C Encore 290x50 Magnum 50 1:28
Knight Wolverine 209 50 1:28 T/C Fire Storm 50 1:48
Knight Wolverine II 50/54 1:28 T/C G2 (.45 cal only) Contender 209x45ML 45 1:28
T/C Hawken 50/54 1:48
Lyman Cougar Rifle 50/54 1:24 T/C New Englander 50/54 1:48
Lyman Deerstalker Rifle 50/54 1:48 T/C Omega 45/50 1:28
Lyman Great Plains Hunter 50/54 1:32 T/C Renegade 50 1:48
Lyman Great Plains Rifle 50/54 1:60 T/C Scout Carbine 50/54 1:20
Lyman Trade Rifle 50/54 1:48 T/C Thunderhawk 50/54 1:38
T/C White Mountain 50/54 1:20
Ruger 77/50 Rifle 50 1:28 T/C Woods 50 1:28

Savage 10ML (All Models) 50 1:24 Winchester X-150 Magnum 209 45 1:28
Winchester X-150 Magnum 209 50 1:28
Remington 700 ML/MLS Rifle 45/50/54 1:28 Winchester Apex Magnum 45/50 1:28 Knight Disc Extreme 52 1:26
Lyman Mustang 50 1:28
H&R/NEF Huntsman/Sidekick 50 1:28
White .504 calibers 1:24
White .451 calibers 1:20
Remington Genesis 50 1:28

rt_con

sabotloader: Thanks for posting the close ups! OK... now I see what looks like a upgraded G-Series. Sharp looking stock !

What bases & rings ? I like those... more scope positioning options than the Weaver/Warne bases.After seeing your report and pics... looks like my .45 Whitetail will get to come out and play.. with sabots this time.

cayugad

That's what I was thinking sabotloader..

Thanks for the chart Grouse..

Grouse45

Mike, Thanks for taking the time to shoot these for me. Dave ran the numbers and the length of bullet requires a 1/24 twist. Of course your White is 1/24. I will run some thru the Savage in the morning. Great shooting as usual.

sabotloader

Grouse45

Hey it was my pleasure and an opportunity for a learning process for me. I enjoyed it... I am just to dang cheap to keep throwing those things down range @ paper, bottles, or Tangerines.

I know the math suggests a 1/24 but I still think you/I should shoot some from a 1/28 just to verify. What can it hurt? I am really thinking that 200 as it is built is a great looking bullet - but adding the the Ballistic Tip naturally adds length. And as I have suggested that may be exactly why the Barnes offering is 195 instead of 200.

If you do not want to try the 1/28 send me some tips and I get to it at some point.

Of course you already know it is not a big deal to me anyway because I am going to use the bullet as a hollow point for everything that I do. I just hope Dave is not forced to change the 200 HP down to a 195??? HP because of economics. It may not be to prudent to be trying to market 2 bullets of near the same weight.