Does a different sabot make a difference?
02-27-2009, 08:12 AM
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RE: Does a different sabot make a difference?
Really feel bad for you Semisane. And I'm sure Cayugad feels the same.It's really a shame that you have to suffer in that heat while us northern guys are staying nice and cool.
Gee.. I really hope you don't get a flat tire on your way up the camp.
Have safe trip and think of us while you're wiping off your brow.
Gee.. I really hope you don't get a flat tire on your way up the camp.
Have safe trip and think of us while you're wiping off your brow.
02-27-2009, 04:46 PM
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RE: Does a different sabot make a difference?
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I would have to say YES INDEED. OK, I know one test does not support this statistically. But with results this dramatic I am convinced. Both 5 shot groups below were shot at 50 yards with my cap lock 50 cal Hawken GM LRH barrel and using 300 gr Shock Wave bullets and 100 gr of FFg. The only difference was the group on the left was with the sabots that came with the shock waves. The group on the right was using Harvester black CR sabots.
During the course of the shooting I did notice that the T/C sabots varied in the amount of pressure required to seat the bullet. Some were tight, others only moderately tight. The CRs were consistant with each loading.
On a side note - to ease Cayugad and Semisane's mind, the fouling with this rifle was about what you would expect with BP. (barrel was treated with MX BC). The only difference between today and yesterday was I swabbed the bore with 2 alcohol patches and dried prior to shooting. After each shot, the barrel was swabbed with a T/C #13 patch and 2 dry patches.
I would have to say YES INDEED. OK, I know one test does not support this statistically. But with results this dramatic I am convinced. Both 5 shot groups below were shot at 50 yards with my cap lock 50 cal Hawken GM LRH barrel and using 300 gr Shock Wave bullets and 100 gr of FFg. The only difference was the group on the left was with the sabots that came with the shock waves. The group on the right was using Harvester black CR sabots.
During the course of the shooting I did notice that the T/C sabots varied in the amount of pressure required to seat the bullet. Some were tight, others only moderately tight. The CRs were consistant with each loading.
On a side note - to ease Cayugad and Semisane's mind, the fouling with this rifle was about what you would expect with BP. (barrel was treated with MX BC). The only difference between today and yesterday was I swabbed the bore with 2 alcohol patches and dried prior to shooting. After each shot, the barrel was swabbed with a T/C #13 patch and 2 dry patches.
http://www.the-gleasons.com/shooting_mlers_for_accuracy.htm
Consistent procedure makes a huge difference. Loading pressure makes a difference with Savage and smokeless and Blackhorn in inlines. Your "hand loading" each shot, so expect huge differences.
Chap
02-27-2009, 05:20 PM
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RE: Does a different sabot make a difference?
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cayugad
It made it to 70 yesterday and 65 today spring is on the way. Soon as the wind gets reasonable we will head for the range. Lee
cayugad
It made it to 70 yesterday and 65 today spring is on the way. Soon as the wind gets reasonable we will head for the range. Lee
Heck that would be summer time temps around here.
02-28-2009, 06:56 AM
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RE: Does a different sabot make a difference?
Chap - Not sure what you mean by handloading each shot. Don't we all.
During this entire shooting session, except for the very first shot from a squeaky clean barrel, each successive shot was loaded exactly the same. Powder was premeasured at home, swabbing between each shot was the same, bullets were seated to the same depth and shooting style was consistant.
The only difference was the sabots and the amount of pressure required to seat them. The T/C sabots were inconsistant while the Harvesters, without the benefit of a pressure scale, felt the same.
This difference in required seating pressure is what I am sure led to the huge difference in accuracy. Now had the pressures been consistant with the T/C sabots, either tight or loose, I believe that group would have also been smaller.
During this entire shooting session, except for the very first shot from a squeaky clean barrel, each successive shot was loaded exactly the same. Powder was premeasured at home, swabbing between each shot was the same, bullets were seated to the same depth and shooting style was consistant.
The only difference was the sabots and the amount of pressure required to seat them. The T/C sabots were inconsistant while the Harvesters, without the benefit of a pressure scale, felt the same.
This difference in required seating pressure is what I am sure led to the huge difference in accuracy. Now had the pressures been consistant with the T/C sabots, either tight or loose, I believe that group would have also been smaller.
02-28-2009, 07:04 AM
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RE: Does a different sabot make a difference?
ORIGINAL: bronko22000
Chap - Not sure what you mean by handloading each shot. Don't we all.
During this entire shooting session, except for the very first shot from a squeaky clean barrel, each successive shot was loaded exactly the same. Powder was premeasured at home, swabbing between each shot was the same, bullets were seated to the same depth and shooting style was consistant.
The only difference was the sabots and the amount of pressure required to seat them. The T/C sabots were inconsistant while the Harvesters, without the benefit of a pressure scale, felt the same.
This difference in required seating pressure is what I am sure led to the huge difference in accuracy. Now had the pressures been consistant with the T/C sabots, either tight or loose, I believe that group would have also been smaller.
Chap - Not sure what you mean by handloading each shot. Don't we all.
During this entire shooting session, except for the very first shot from a squeaky clean barrel, each successive shot was loaded exactly the same. Powder was premeasured at home, swabbing between each shot was the same, bullets were seated to the same depth and shooting style was consistant.
The only difference was the sabots and the amount of pressure required to seat them. The T/C sabots were inconsistant while the Harvesters, without the benefit of a pressure scale, felt the same.
This difference in required seating pressure is what I am sure led to the huge difference in accuracy. Now had the pressures been consistant with the T/C sabots, either tight or loose, I believe that group would have also been smaller.
02-28-2009, 07:52 AM
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RE: Does a different sabot make a difference?
Chap - No offense taken. I'm sure we all agree that consistancy translates directly to accuracy.
Based on this limited test, it is apparent that the Harvester sabots meet a higher quality control standard than the ones made for T/C. I personally do not believe that T/C makes these sabots but have them made for them
Based on this limited test, it is apparent that the Harvester sabots meet a higher quality control standard than the ones made for T/C. I personally do not believe that T/C makes these sabots but have them made for them
