Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
01-18-2009, 03:49 PM
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Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
I have heard that 209 Primers have too much flame and they actually lift the sabot off the powder charge prematurally, any truth to this????
01-18-2009, 03:57 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
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I have heard that 209 Primers have too much flame and they actually lift the sabot off the powder charge prematurally, any truth to this????
I have heard that 209 Primers have too much flame and they actually lift the sabot off the powder charge prematurally, any truth to this????
01-18-2009, 04:05 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
I have been using both, the kleen bore and Triple Seven and have not noticed any difference in accuracy. I have also heard to switch back to No.10 caps, I have breechplug addapters to add the No.10's to the 209 but have'nt tried this experiment has anyone? Then again I've heard you need the extra umphhhh from the 209's to properally ignite the pellets. Who's right??
01-18-2009, 04:07 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
I have heard this too, can I verify it?-- No. I shoot cci-209m primers, and haven't ever had a problem. If your sabot/load are a good fit, you shouldn't have a problem.
01-18-2009, 04:21 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
ORIGINAL: Breechplug
I have been using both, the kleen bore and Triple Seven and have not noticed any difference in accuracy. I have also heard to switch back to No.10 caps, I have breechplug addapters to add the No.10's to the 209 but have'nt tried this experiment has anyone? Then again I've heard you need the extra umphhhh from the 209's to properally ignite the pellets. Who's right??
I have been using both, the kleen bore and Triple Seven and have not noticed any difference in accuracy. I have also heard to switch back to No.10 caps, I have breechplug addapters to add the No.10's to the 209 but have'nt tried this experiment has anyone? Then again I've heard you need the extra umphhhh from the 209's to properally ignite the pellets. Who's right??
01-18-2009, 04:49 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
1: When people shoot sub-moa groups using Win209a and Federal 209s, the argument becomes sort of irrelevant.
2: Conventional wisdom is for maximum accuracy use the ignition source with the least energy that still positively ignites the charge. Doing so is supposed to help eliminate the occasional, and unexplainable, fliers.
3: See item 1.
and don't you mean #11 caps. #10 caps are generally for pistols.
2: Conventional wisdom is for maximum accuracy use the ignition source with the least energy that still positively ignites the charge. Doing so is supposed to help eliminate the occasional, and unexplainable, fliers.
3: See item 1.
and don't you mean #11 caps. #10 caps are generally for pistols.
01-18-2009, 04:55 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
This was Cecil Epps reasoning behind the 22 Hornet and later 25 ACP ignition systems. Small rifle primers were the answer to unexplained flyers. I have used the 25 ACP ignition and noticedno difference inaccuracy. It did lessen the crud ring somewhat,but I still swab between shots at the range for consistancy(even with Pyro).In the woods my "follow up shot" is loaded with an MMP 3EZ sabot and no swab.
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01-18-2009, 05:08 PM
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RE: Has anyone hear of 209 primers having too much flame?
ORIGINAL: Underclocked
1: When people shoot sub-moa groups using Win209a and Federal 209s, the argument becomes sort of irrelevant.
2: Conventional wisdom is for maximum accuracy use the ignition source with the least energy that still positively ignites the charge. Doing so is supposed to help eliminate the occasional, and unexplainable, fliers.
3: See item 1. Yes, Im sorry, I ment the #11's I was thinking of my percussion......sorry for the error
and don't you mean #11 caps. #10 caps are generally for pistols.
1: When people shoot sub-moa groups using Win209a and Federal 209s, the argument becomes sort of irrelevant.
2: Conventional wisdom is for maximum accuracy use the ignition source with the least energy that still positively ignites the charge. Doing so is supposed to help eliminate the occasional, and unexplainable, fliers.
3: See item 1.
Yes, Im sorry, I ment the #11's I was thinking of my percussion......sorry for the errorand don't you mean #11 caps. #10 caps are generally for pistols.