sabotloader

dalberg

There a lot of peole that have a ton of success with SST/SW's, but there really have been a lot that have not also. For the price you are paying for them I fell there are certainly better bullets out there unless, you are making really long range shots....

of those two I would certainly choose the Gold Dot - or even any Speer Uni-cor bullet - they do not come apart.

The only bullet better than aBarnes is a Nosler Partition - no bias there at all hope you can tell that.... But those two are probably the best bullets for getting the job done on an animal

The sabot really depends on the rifle bore you are shooting - all of the sabots you have listed are good ones - you just need to find the one that best fits your bore. What gun are you shooting?

dalberg

I am using a CVA Wolf, The SST with the SB loaded pretty darn hard, two hands steady hard push, when the weather got cold things got even harder. I thought going to a .451 would make things a touch easier and possibly give me a better performing bullet. I am using BH 209 for powder. Maybe I will try some Barnes and hold of on the Noslers for now. Can I buy Barnes X's in bulk someplace I haven't seen them anywhere. Thanks for your help.
Doug

sabotloader

dalberg

You can buy Barnes in bulk bullets for the most part - some I am sure that you have to purchase a box with sabots...

Chapman Gleason is the information source on Barnes - send him a PM...

dalberg

thanks for the info
Doug

Underclocked

The 300 grain .452 Gold Dot is listed as being a Cassul bullet, for what it's worth. That's the one I'm going to try some of these days. Local dealer was out of stock on them, last time I checked, but had more coming.

gleason.chapman

I think bullet choice is one of the most overlooked things for most people. I think MOST people shoot what their friends that got them into MLers shoot, like Powerbelts or ShockWaves and they never think about it again until they have problems. Then they look for he proper bullet. If I was long distance shooting a Barnes TMZ would be my first choice, the 300g SW would be my 2nd, if I was concerned about cost, then it would be the SW.

For short range shooting (<150 yards), I would shot a Noler Partition, a Barnes MZ or a Barnes TSX 45/70 bullet 300g. If I was very concerned about cost then my choice would be a Speer Gold Dot 300g.

For close shooting <=75 yards I would shoot a Speer Gold Dot 300g, an XTP 300g or a Powerbelt 348g with 70 of goex. My logic is these bullets are cheap for losts of percussion and flintlock plinking, but good enough to use as a general bullet. If I was retired and on fixed income, that would be my bullet of choice, a Speer Gold Dot 300g with a CR sabot.

You could of course use 1 bullet for all situations. If I had to choose 1 bullet for ALL situations short or long, then that would be a Barnes Origonal 300g, why?
it does not beak apart on close shots (but it doesn't expand well either, but blows a big hole all the way thru), it will shoot long, because of the .292 Ballistic Coeffient. Many guys from Ill shoot Savages 250 or 300 yards using this bullet, off solid rests and they know it drops 14" at 300 yards. They sight in3.5" high at 100, and shoot 67g of 4198, a 45/70 powder that gets us to a MV of 2350 in most Savages. I like different bullets for diffent guns since each gun has "what it likes".
Chap

gleason.chapman

In general .452, .451 are pistol bullets, .458 are riflel bullets for the 45/70. In general pistol bullets go between 800 fps and 1200 fps, where they are designed to expand. Rifle bullets expand over a wider range. I believe you will get better bullet performance from a .458 rifle bullet. Chap