Question for gleason.chapman or others
09-11-2008, 10:03 AM
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Question for gleason.chapman or others
Hi, you seem to have awealth of knowledge about different projectiles. I am looking to find the minimum and maximum velocities for maximum effectiveness of different muzzleloader bullets. I know powerbelts and other lead projectiles would be on the low end while all copper bullets like Barnes would be on the high end of the scale. While I know that bullet placement is the most important thing it would also be nice to know I am using the right bullet for the right powder charge.
For example, I am going to hunt a special muzzleloader season that I am planning on using my 22 inch Knight Wolverine for. It shoots Barnes Expanders really accurately with 85 grainsof Triple 7 but I am wondering if I would have enough zip for these bullets. Maybe I would be better off with the Hornady XTP's which also shoot pretty good.
Any info or sources of this kind of information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Art
For example, I am going to hunt a special muzzleloader season that I am planning on using my 22 inch Knight Wolverine for. It shoots Barnes Expanders really accurately with 85 grainsof Triple 7 but I am wondering if I would have enough zip for these bullets. Maybe I would be better off with the Hornady XTP's which also shoot pretty good.
Any info or sources of this kind of information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Art
09-11-2008, 11:03 AM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
flounder33
Shoot Art, I am not a Barnes expert other than knowing they are a super bullet. Since i do not know for sure what the Barnes Expander is for sure, like weight and nose construction - I will tell you that 85 grains of T7 will be very effective out to a given range - probably 100 and some beyond. If you are using T7-3f with that short barrel you will even pick up some additional velocity. My only concern would be a shota close range and a zip through(and I am assuming you are hunting deer)- but with the Barnes reputation - I can not imagine it would be a problem - I know one of my Nosler 260's or either of the Gold Dots (250 or 300) would also work.
My personal beleif good planning on your part and good hunting...
Shoot Art, I am not a Barnes expert other than knowing they are a super bullet. Since i do not know for sure what the Barnes Expander is for sure, like weight and nose construction - I will tell you that 85 grains of T7 will be very effective out to a given range - probably 100 and some beyond. If you are using T7-3f with that short barrel you will even pick up some additional velocity. My only concern would be a shota close range and a zip through(and I am assuming you are hunting deer)- but with the Barnes reputation - I can not imagine it would be a problem - I know one of my Nosler 260's or either of the Gold Dots (250 or 300) would also work.
My personal beleif good planning on your part and good hunting...
09-11-2008, 11:09 AM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
Based on the cow elk my son shot 2 years ago with a Barnes 250 using 90gr of 777 I would say you have little to worry about with 85gr of powder. He hit the elk at about 85 to 90 yards and had a complete pass through with full expansion and less than 5 yards of tracking (if you can call that tracking). The XTP will work fine also but is not as tough a bullet as the Barnes.
09-11-2008, 12:25 PM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
That 85 grains and a Barnes Expander has been my hunting load in my Wolverine. I have yet to take a critter with it, but never throught myself under gunned. I would not be too worried. Shot placement is the main thing and you can already do that. The rest is a matter of getting the game out of the woods. That is, if you can find it.
09-11-2008, 12:46 PM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
Thanks for all the replies so far. I am pretty sure to get drawn for a special muzzleloader hunt in one of our state parks. This would be after Thanksgiving so I still have time to fine tune everything.
Art
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09-11-2008, 03:03 PM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
According to the Barnes literature their bullets are designed to open up on flesh down to 1100 feet/sec. I think you should be well above that even down range.
09-11-2008, 06:07 PM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
ORIGINAL: flounder33
Hi, you seem to have awealth of knowledge about different projectiles. I am looking to find the minimum and maximum velocities for maximum effectiveness of different muzzleloader bullets. I know powerbelts and other lead projectiles would be on the low end while all copper bullets like Barnes would be on the high end of the scale. While I know that bullet placement is the most important thing it would also be nice to know I am using the right bullet for the right powder charge.
For example, I am going to hunt a special muzzleloader season that I am planning on using my 22 inch Knight Wolverine for. It shoots Barnes Expanders really accurately with 85 grainsof Triple 7 but I am wondering if I would have enough zip for these bullets. Maybe I would be better off with the Hornady XTP's which also shoot pretty good.
Any info or sources of this kind of information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Art
Hi, you seem to have awealth of knowledge about different projectiles. I am looking to find the minimum and maximum velocities for maximum effectiveness of different muzzleloader bullets. I know powerbelts and other lead projectiles would be on the low end while all copper bullets like Barnes would be on the high end of the scale. While I know that bullet placement is the most important thing it would also be nice to know I am using the right bullet for the right powder charge.
For example, I am going to hunt a special muzzleloader season that I am planning on using my 22 inch Knight Wolverine for. It shoots Barnes Expanders really accurately with 85 grainsof Triple 7 but I am wondering if I would have enough zip for these bullets. Maybe I would be better off with the Hornady XTP's which also shoot pretty good.
Any info or sources of this kind of information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Art
Best Wishes on your selection,
Chap Gleason
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
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RE: Question for gleason.chapman or others
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
The Barnes MZ hollow point are huge and expand well in FLESH and hold together in bone hit. 85g is a good light load for a 300g bullet. I like the 300 over the 250 cuse I have had Noslers hang up under the skin on the off side, but the 300g don't do that. Another bullet that is EXACTLY the same as the MZ is the Barnes 45/70 bullet called the TSX part number 45843, that is very accurate in my Savage and is cheaper than the MZ, same exact hollow point as the MZ.
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0003545843 (yep, $17.56)
Since it is a rifle bullet, the performance is better at the higher velocities, which won't be your case. I would perfer the Barnes over the XTP 300g since they don't fragment, and XTPs loose their jacket especially on close hit. I didn't say the don't kill and I didn't say they were a poor bullet, they are excellent, but Barnes are a bit better for oblique shots and shoot thru with great expansion and 100% weight retention. Try the 45/70 bullet, I bought them fro like $17 from Mid South and they were Available. Barnes Origonals are very hard to find now. You gotta get them in June and July to have a November supply, 2 boxes of 50.
Best Wishes on your selection,
Chap Gleason
ORIGINAL: flounder33
Hi, you seem to have awealth of knowledge about different projectiles. I am looking to find the minimum and maximum velocities for maximum effectiveness of different muzzleloader bullets. I know powerbelts and other lead projectiles would be on the low end while all copper bullets like Barnes would be on the high end of the scale. While I know that bullet placement is the most important thing it would also be nice to know I am using the right bullet for the right powder charge.
For example, I am going to hunt a special muzzleloader season that I am planning on using my 22 inch Knight Wolverine for. It shoots Barnes Expanders really accurately with 85 grainsof Triple 7 but I am wondering if I would have enough zip for these bullets. Maybe I would be better off with the Hornady XTP's which also shoot pretty good.
Any info or sources of this kind of information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Art
Hi, you seem to have awealth of knowledge about different projectiles. I am looking to find the minimum and maximum velocities for maximum effectiveness of different muzzleloader bullets. I know powerbelts and other lead projectiles would be on the low end while all copper bullets like Barnes would be on the high end of the scale. While I know that bullet placement is the most important thing it would also be nice to know I am using the right bullet for the right powder charge.
For example, I am going to hunt a special muzzleloader season that I am planning on using my 22 inch Knight Wolverine for. It shoots Barnes Expanders really accurately with 85 grainsof Triple 7 but I am wondering if I would have enough zip for these bullets. Maybe I would be better off with the Hornady XTP's which also shoot pretty good.
Any info or sources of this kind of information would be appreciated.
Thanks, Art
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0003545843 (yep, $17.56)
Since it is a rifle bullet, the performance is better at the higher velocities, which won't be your case. I would perfer the Barnes over the XTP 300g since they don't fragment, and XTPs loose their jacket especially on close hit. I didn't say the don't kill and I didn't say they were a poor bullet, they are excellent, but Barnes are a bit better for oblique shots and shoot thru with great expansion and 100% weight retention. Try the 45/70 bullet, I bought them fro like $17 from Mid South and they were Available. Barnes Origonals are very hard to find now. You gotta get them in June and July to have a November supply, 2 boxes of 50.
Best Wishes on your selection,
Chap Gleason
