What would your selection be?
08-21-2008, 07:27 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
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RE: What would your selection be?
I would prefer to be using my .54 caliber flintlock for thatkind of huntso I'd have to go witha .530 ball and 80grs FFF...
Now...If I used my Knight...I'd go with the 300gr Barnes MZ and 100grs Goex FFF...That Barnes all copper is a bad bullet...
That would also be my elk, moose, whatever load, if I had the cash for that kind of hunt...
Now...If I used my Knight...I'd go with the 300gr Barnes MZ and 100grs Goex FFF...That Barnes all copper is a bad bullet...
That would also be my elk, moose, whatever load, if I had the cash for that kind of hunt...
08-21-2008, 07:54 PM
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RE: What would your selection be?
oh shucks its a .54?
You missed out big time on the powerbelt deal cabelas was having. 405.444gr powerbelts package of 20 for under $8!
If they make the 405 or 444 for the .54cal, give the 405s a starting point with 70 and work your way up to 80gr 2f pyrodex. I honestly dont feel the need to put any more powder behind that much bullet.
The 444, that thing can be pushed fast! But recoil would be a bit stiff. The deal with the flat point, It Needs to hit heavy bone in order to expand. Perfect for bear IMO.
im using the 405 this november for elk and with 80gr RS i am confident in shots up to 175 yards.
Bear hunting eh? I may have to look into this as i have never thought about hunting bears.
Ahh never mind the stuff about the .54 i misread your post
Yes, the loads were with a .50cal
You missed out big time on the powerbelt deal cabelas was having. 405.444gr powerbelts package of 20 for under $8!
If they make the 405 or 444 for the .54cal, give the 405s a starting point with 70 and work your way up to 80gr 2f pyrodex. I honestly dont feel the need to put any more powder behind that much bullet.
The 444, that thing can be pushed fast! But recoil would be a bit stiff. The deal with the flat point, It Needs to hit heavy bone in order to expand. Perfect for bear IMO.
im using the 405 this november for elk and with 80gr RS i am confident in shots up to 175 yards.
Bear hunting eh? I may have to look into this as i have never thought about hunting bears.
Ahh never mind the stuff about the .54 i misread your post
Yes, the loads were with a .50cal
08-21-2008, 09:03 PM
#13
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RE: What would your selection be?
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The 460 BShop would certainly do the trick - It is an awesome chunk of lead - carries a higher BC than most think and is an accurate projectile in everything I shoot it from...
TNHagies
The 460 BShop would certainly do the trick - It is an awesome chunk of lead - carries a higher BC than most think and is an accurate projectile in everything I shoot it from...
08-22-2008, 05:24 AM
#14
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RE: What would your selection be?
So far I've taken 5 bear. IMO they aren't as tenatious as deer. I've shot one with the 300 Win Mag, 1 with the 30-06 and 3 with the 45-70. The farthest any of these went after beng hit was 40 yds. I don't take shoulder shots on deer or bear and always try to put the bullet into the boiler room. I definately want a bullet that is accurate - that's why I gave that list. I know these are plenty accurate in their respective rifles.
I was leaning toward the 320 REAL. But I am going to try a saboted 300 gr XTP or similar as soon as I can get some and some heavier Pbelts in both 50 and 54 cal. I really would like to give the Bullshops 400 gr 504s another try but the shippingis high for just 100. If they worked, I would gladly buy 400 or 500. Then the shipping wouldn't be bad at all.
I really was shying away from the 54 cause I am thinking about selling it. I'm more of a 50 cal fanatic.
I was leaning toward the 320 REAL. But I am going to try a saboted 300 gr XTP or similar as soon as I can get some and some heavier Pbelts in both 50 and 54 cal. I really would like to give the Bullshops 400 gr 504s another try but the shippingis high for just 100. If they worked, I would gladly buy 400 or 500. Then the shipping wouldn't be bad at all.
I really was shying away from the 54 cause I am thinking about selling it. I'm more of a 50 cal fanatic.
08-22-2008, 08:00 AM
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RE: What would your selection be?
bronko22000
Just my two cents... but I have tried the 400's several times and to tell you the truth I like the 460's better - Better BC and relatively the same velocity. I did talk to UC about his UC shorts but after the discussion I still ended shooting the 460's - think his shorts weigh 445 - but again the BC of the 460 is a bit better and the velocity of two are virtually the same especially down range.
Here is a 25 yard target the project of the shoot was to get velocities to compare with the velocities of the 460's... I was hoping that I would get a significant velocity boost with the 400's - did not happen.
I have a couple of boxes of .504/400 Bull Shops if you are interested...
I really would like to give the Bullshops 400 gr 504s another try
Here is a 25 yard target the project of the shoot was to get velocities to compare with the velocities of the 460's... I was hoping that I would get a significant velocity boost with the 400's - did not happen.
I have a couple of boxes of .504/400 Bull Shops if you are interested...
08-22-2008, 09:08 AM
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RE: What would your selection be?
Sabot - I believe you had sent me a couple of each to try and the 460s didn't shoot well for me. The 400s made a nice little cluster. And to be honest, I much rather have the more accurate one over 60 gr of weight.
08-22-2008, 10:19 AM
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08-22-2008, 12:56 PM
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RE: What would your selection be?
Well I think I may have found a happy medium between weight and accuracy. I just went out and tested some 435 Gr Maxihunters and 430 gr Maxiballs I had on hand. Last time out the Maxiballs shot like crap with Pyrodex RS.
This time however I shot both bullets with Goex FFg and FFFg. Results were much different. 80 gr of FFg produced good results from both bullets at 50 yds.
I boosted the load up to 90 grs and things were not as good.
Tried 80 gr of FFFg and groups were even tighter than the 80 gr with FFg. Maxihunters had 3 bullets in about 1 1/4" and evenly spaced but the Maxiballs had 2 almost in the same hole and another just outside. Probably under an inch.
I moved the target out to 100 yds and using the 80 gr FFFg load shot 3 each. The Maxihunter were wild - about a 12" group, maybe 10" low. The Maxiball produced a 6" group about 8" low.
Made a sight adjustment and things were dead nuts at 100 yds. Moving the target to 50 yds showed a cluster 3" high. I am ready for those bruins now.
I think you guys will agree that the 430 gr Maxihunters and 80 gr of FFFg should do the job??
This time however I shot both bullets with Goex FFg and FFFg. Results were much different. 80 gr of FFg produced good results from both bullets at 50 yds.
I boosted the load up to 90 grs and things were not as good.
Tried 80 gr of FFFg and groups were even tighter than the 80 gr with FFg. Maxihunters had 3 bullets in about 1 1/4" and evenly spaced but the Maxiballs had 2 almost in the same hole and another just outside. Probably under an inch.
I moved the target out to 100 yds and using the 80 gr FFFg load shot 3 each. The Maxihunter were wild - about a 12" group, maybe 10" low. The Maxiball produced a 6" group about 8" low.
Made a sight adjustment and things were dead nuts at 100 yds. Moving the target to 50 yds showed a cluster 3" high. I am ready for those bruins now.
I think you guys will agree that the 430 gr Maxihunters and 80 gr of FFFg should do the job??
YEP that will put a hurtin on one for sure CONGRATS
