English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
#11
Fork Horn
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Central Virginia
Posts: 267
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
It's been said repeatedly in this thread, but shoot real black powder out of the flinter. My t/c renegade hadpoor ignition with pyro rs and, looking back the igntion was delayedwhen it did go off. I switched to ffg goex and the reliability increased and the lock time was quicker. Both of these, particularly the better lock time, contributed to better accuracy.
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,192
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
I have been hearing shooters argue about flints for over 30 years. I hunt in PA where the flintlock is the law. So there are a lot of guys around here with a lot of experience. Both flints are good flints. You need to keep your flint good and clean, and most importantly you need to keep it lined up properly. Also take good care of your frizzen.
You have been given good advice here. I use 3F Blackpowder in my rifle-exclusively. I would not use T7 in a flinter. I also use 7F BP in the pan. IMO the 7F is faster and easier to ignite.
A new flashole may be better as Cayugad advised. I do not have any experience with custom flasholes. I have never had any problems with the original flasholes. Most shooters that I witnessed having problems with the flashole were putting too much powder in the pan. I fill my pan up about 1/2. Tom.
You have been given good advice here. I use 3F Blackpowder in my rifle-exclusively. I would not use T7 in a flinter. I also use 7F BP in the pan. IMO the 7F is faster and easier to ignite.
A new flashole may be better as Cayugad advised. I do not have any experience with custom flasholes. I have never had any problems with the original flasholes. Most shooters that I witnessed having problems with the flashole were putting too much powder in the pan. I fill my pan up about 1/2. Tom.
#13
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Posts: 68
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
HEAD001,
The first time I went to the range with the rifle, it was a step bastards child to get itto go boom.[:@] I did however under my father in laws advice only fill the pan up half way. The night before we fired it, we threw some powder down the barrel and charrged the pan just a little to make sure it was igniting. No issues. I cleaned out the barrel with a little butches and swabbed it dry x's three.[:-] Now, the first can of powder that was pushed on me by the moron at the gun store was Pioneer. I questioned him about this, only because I know it is used exclusively in inlines. He said I would be fine. He was dead wrong and the store refunded me the money even after it was open. My father in law gave me the T7 and after that the gun went clickityboom! This was the most exciting thing that has ever happened to me in 33 years in the outdoors world.
Now that the gun was firing, I decided to hit the range for an all day affair. What a joy. But I still would get misfires after the 4th shot. I cleaned the pan,picked the hole, loaded her up and it would go off three or four more times. After about 30 shots the flint wasdone. The edge had cracked and the flint split in the middle leaving a large gap. I took the flint spun her around and got 10 more shots of which only 7 went off. I was worried cause i still had a load in the barrel. So I took a twig and set it behind the flint and gotthe gun to shoot one more time.Well, I went home and dug through the box and actually to my amazment there was a replacement flint. I only got 24 shots out of that puppy. At least I had my shooting down. This was important to me. But now I wanted to get some more flints. Well to make a long story short Uncle Sam called me up and I haven't gotten to shootsince.
I did purchase ten newTom Fuller English flints from Track the Wolf today. I just have to purchase some GOEX and fffg and get the heck home. Then the fun begins. I will need to shoot it again to get used to the flash. Won't take long. After the first ten shots i just learned to relax and ware Shades LOL! this helped alot. My accuracy was good enough to get one in the kill zone. I am hoping and praying to be home by Flintlock Season. THis would be great. My favorite time to track down a whitetail and send one down range. I like when there is funny white stuff covering the ground. It makes the deer jump out at you.
And finally, I would like to thank everyone's feedback. Your feedback I am sure will make my FL 'ing alot more enjoyable. Thanks! And I do have the RMC touch hole liner coming in the mail as well. I can't wait.
Thanks,
Justin
The first time I went to the range with the rifle, it was a step bastards child to get itto go boom.[:@] I did however under my father in laws advice only fill the pan up half way. The night before we fired it, we threw some powder down the barrel and charrged the pan just a little to make sure it was igniting. No issues. I cleaned out the barrel with a little butches and swabbed it dry x's three.[:-] Now, the first can of powder that was pushed on me by the moron at the gun store was Pioneer. I questioned him about this, only because I know it is used exclusively in inlines. He said I would be fine. He was dead wrong and the store refunded me the money even after it was open. My father in law gave me the T7 and after that the gun went clickityboom! This was the most exciting thing that has ever happened to me in 33 years in the outdoors world.
Now that the gun was firing, I decided to hit the range for an all day affair. What a joy. But I still would get misfires after the 4th shot. I cleaned the pan,picked the hole, loaded her up and it would go off three or four more times. After about 30 shots the flint wasdone. The edge had cracked and the flint split in the middle leaving a large gap. I took the flint spun her around and got 10 more shots of which only 7 went off. I was worried cause i still had a load in the barrel. So I took a twig and set it behind the flint and gotthe gun to shoot one more time.Well, I went home and dug through the box and actually to my amazment there was a replacement flint. I only got 24 shots out of that puppy. At least I had my shooting down. This was important to me. But now I wanted to get some more flints. Well to make a long story short Uncle Sam called me up and I haven't gotten to shootsince.
I did purchase ten newTom Fuller English flints from Track the Wolf today. I just have to purchase some GOEX and fffg and get the heck home. Then the fun begins. I will need to shoot it again to get used to the flash. Won't take long. After the first ten shots i just learned to relax and ware Shades LOL! this helped alot. My accuracy was good enough to get one in the kill zone. I am hoping and praying to be home by Flintlock Season. THis would be great. My favorite time to track down a whitetail and send one down range. I like when there is funny white stuff covering the ground. It makes the deer jump out at you.
And finally, I would like to thank everyone's feedback. Your feedback I am sure will make my FL 'ing alot more enjoyable. Thanks! And I do have the RMC touch hole liner coming in the mail as well. I can't wait.
Thanks,
Justin
#14
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
Justin:
Congrats on the flintlock purchase! I bought my first one about 3 years ago and have only added more to the collection ever since.
I had the same experience you did when first shooting the flintlock, and it was very aggravating. Those guns are only meant to shoot real BP, so forget about any of the substitutes.
Blackpowder is not available in many places. Not illegal, just not available. It can be purchased over the Internet from powder inc. I believe the URL is: www.powderinc.com
You will need to fax them a copy of your drivers license. There is a hefty hazmat shipping fee, but it is one way to get the real stuff. Powderinc is a good company to work with, I have always had good service from them.
You may also want to check out gun shows. Once a year we have the National Muzzleload Rifle Association (NMLRA) meet here in Arizona. They sell the real stuff during that event. They may meet near you and you can stock up on the stuff.
You probably know this allready, but no 4F as your main charge, in the pan only. 4F builds pressure too quickly for the barrel.
A cleaning solution you may want to try is something I learned from this forum. It is equal parts isopropyl alcohol and windshield washer fluid. It is very cheap to make and works great. It also evaporates very fast so clean up is easy.
What I do is use a small leak proof jar, put some patches in it and add enough iso/washer fluid to just saturate the patches. Then add a little more of the fluid to account for evaporation. I bring this to the range, it is great for cleaning up the pan and flash hole while at the range.
You may also want to wipe down the frizzen and flint. Keeping the carbon down on those will help your ignition.
A little knapping while at the range will also help keep your flints sharp and firing.
Two other things:
If you fire the flintlock at night, close your eyes. The flash is blinding. It will not blind you, just scare the hell out of you!
Also, a flintlock can fire upside down. If you decide to try that one day, like I did, be sure to wear something with thick longsleeves. Otherwise you will badly burn your arm-yes I did this
Again welcome to the club. Hopefully you are getting the same curious looks I get while at the range.
~Robert
Congrats on the flintlock purchase! I bought my first one about 3 years ago and have only added more to the collection ever since.
I had the same experience you did when first shooting the flintlock, and it was very aggravating. Those guns are only meant to shoot real BP, so forget about any of the substitutes.
Blackpowder is not available in many places. Not illegal, just not available. It can be purchased over the Internet from powder inc. I believe the URL is: www.powderinc.com
You will need to fax them a copy of your drivers license. There is a hefty hazmat shipping fee, but it is one way to get the real stuff. Powderinc is a good company to work with, I have always had good service from them.
You may also want to check out gun shows. Once a year we have the National Muzzleload Rifle Association (NMLRA) meet here in Arizona. They sell the real stuff during that event. They may meet near you and you can stock up on the stuff.
You probably know this allready, but no 4F as your main charge, in the pan only. 4F builds pressure too quickly for the barrel.
A cleaning solution you may want to try is something I learned from this forum. It is equal parts isopropyl alcohol and windshield washer fluid. It is very cheap to make and works great. It also evaporates very fast so clean up is easy.
What I do is use a small leak proof jar, put some patches in it and add enough iso/washer fluid to just saturate the patches. Then add a little more of the fluid to account for evaporation. I bring this to the range, it is great for cleaning up the pan and flash hole while at the range.
You may also want to wipe down the frizzen and flint. Keeping the carbon down on those will help your ignition.
A little knapping while at the range will also help keep your flints sharp and firing.
Two other things:
If you fire the flintlock at night, close your eyes. The flash is blinding. It will not blind you, just scare the hell out of you!
Also, a flintlock can fire upside down. If you decide to try that one day, like I did, be sure to wear something with thick longsleeves. Otherwise you will badly burn your arm-yes I did this
Again welcome to the club. Hopefully you are getting the same curious looks I get while at the range.
~Robert
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,192
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
"Close your eyes". You must be kidding me. The ablity to shot a flintlock is follow through. Definitely do not close your eyes. How about wearing "Safety Glasses". Or would that be too easy??
I realize he said when shooting at night. But stilll?? Tom.
I realize he said when shooting at night. But stilll?? Tom.
#16
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
RMC touch hole liner, is excellent, I recommend using a good breach plug grease and taking it out and cleaning threads along with everything else. Your problem with PRBall is probably due to using 777, it causes several problems in a flinter. You will get the best results by using regular black powder, I personally use floured blasting powder for prime and Swiss or GOEX. If you try black in the bore I suggest you try a good tight PRBall again normally they wont work with 777 and they work quite well with black.
#17
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
Close your eyes". You must be kidding me. The ablity to shot a flintlock is follow through. Definitely do not close your eyes. How about wearing "Safety Glasses". Or would that be too easy??
I realize he said when shooting at night. But stilll?? Tom.
I realize he said when shooting at night. But stilll?? Tom.
Obviously you need your eyes open when firing a flintlock-or any other firearm for that matter. But that comment was specifically for firing at night and it was a warning/suggestion not to do it. As a beginner the blinding lightfrom the flash can be frightening if you are not prepared for it.
#18
RE: English Flints Vs. German Agate Flints
I just wanted to follow up the previous post about the success ofdrilling out the vent. This is a big improvement from only having successfulignition 3 out of 10 times before doing any drilling to open it up.
Newly posted:
Previously posted:
Newly posted:
OUt again today and with the .07" vent I had 100% ignition --- very rapid. Not even enough time to flinch.
Previously posted:
ORIGINAL: arcticap
Someone on THRrecently finished their Lyman GPR kit and this was posted about how to solveits poor ignition problem:
This wasin response:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=367339&highlight=kit%2A
Someone on THRrecently finished their Lyman GPR kit and this was posted about how to solveits poor ignition problem:
1st time out, main charge fired on first attempt about 3 times out of 10. Took rifle home, cleaned and drilled out vent to 1/16". 2nd time out, main charge fired on first attempt about 8 times out of 10. Took it home and drilled the vent to 0.070" (#50 bit). 3rd time out will be in a couple of days. I expect that ignition will be 100% then....
You can safely take it out to 5/64" (0.0781), but if that #50 works, stop there. Most people are stopping at #51.
The GPR has a patent breech, so be sure you thoroughly clean each time; I remove the vent liner each time I clean just to make sure the patent breech crud accumulation has someplace to exit. If, over time, you start having ignition problems again, it's likely because the patent breech needs to be cleaned out. Remove the vent liner and use a small (approx .32 cal) copper/nylon brush and your favorite cleaning solvent; you can see if the brush is entering the patent breech by looking in the touch hole when the vent liner is removed. If you don't see the brush tip, use a smaller diameter brush.
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The GPR has a patent breech, so be sure you thoroughly clean each time; I remove the vent liner each time I clean just to make sure the patent breech crud accumulation has someplace to exit. If, over time, you start having ignition problems again, it's likely because the patent breech needs to be cleaned out. Remove the vent liner and use a small (approx .32 cal) copper/nylon brush and your favorite cleaning solvent; you can see if the brush is entering the patent breech by looking in the touch hole when the vent liner is removed. If you don't see the brush tip, use a smaller diameter brush.
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#20
Ed, At RMC Sports ML083 is the search number for the Allen Head vent hole liner for a Lyman Rifle. I think your Deerstalker is a Lyman. Hope that helps.