gleason.chapman

Yes. Must use scales. Volume doesn't work. Chap

gleason.chapman

Thanks. I try first to find the right sabot, because that is critical to good shooting in the Savage.You know if it isloose, it don't shoot for beans. With .458 bullets I try CR, MMP Orange and 3Petal EZ. With .452 bullets I do the MMP12 and MMP24, and crushed rib. I do like the .458 bullets better, they seem tighter. After I get "tightness" with the bullet I want to shoot, I try to find the right load of powder. I think it is about 68 or 69 with the 4198 (Skeeter said that, as have others), so I will shoot 67, 68, and 69. I like shooting 5 shot groups, when I get all 5 within 2" I think that is a good solid group. Like today, the TSX 300g "Flat Point" shot real well with 5744, so I will rename my file to "good load". I will do that also with 66g of 4198. Chap

skeeter 7MM

BTW chap nice shooting - nothing wrong with AA or 66gr load. 2" is most certainly MOE "minute O elk". Whether you shrink it bybumpingyou have suitable loads - mission accomplished!

gleason.chapman

Agreed,I found acouple of MOE yesterday 5744 to 150yardsand 4198 to 200 yards is what I think. Need to try them at 200 now. See below for how IDed a good load. Chap

Savagehead

Chap,44grns of5744 is a wonderful 150-175 yard powder with 300 grn bullets.As a side note here,wait times can be very critical.I have seen far more than a .5 inch of difference in groups,like 6-8 inch fliers,due directly to heat build up.If wait times are left unchecked,groups will open way up...

gleason.chapman

I have two pounds of the 5744, so I intend to shoot that as my powder back east here (Va and NY). Some say it is dirty, but what is dirty in a smokeless? I have not seen the wild flyers, and my groups do open up some as the barrel heats up, howeverbecause I have shot mostlyin the cooler AM from 9am to 11 and only 20 shots ma. Shooting only 20 shots with a good 5 to 10 minture wait between sets of 5 shots gives the barrel time to cool. I have never shot a hot barrel, I have shot a warm barrel and I always check back where the powder is going off not the end of the barrel for this warmness. It usually takes 10 shots before it gets warm.If I was shooting all day with say 50 shots I believe after 10 shots, I would have to wait the 10 to 15 minutes. Like I said above, I am not chasing accuracy as a pure science with the Savage, like some do on Doug's Savage Board. I am chasing excellent hunting accuracy, which to me is 2" at 100 yards. Both bullets, Barnes Origonal and Barnes Flatnose #45843 did that for me with a CR sabot, the Flatnose was shot the first 5 shots and the 66g of 4198 was shot the last 5 shots, and it was a nice group. I am also watching Wilmeyer's experiments of shooting Sabotless in the Savage .50 cal, he is getting some acceptable accuracy with Kurling and a wad under the load. Thanks for your comments.
Chap