Blackhorn 209
02-21-2008, 09:00 AM
#12
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RE: Blackhorn 209
Semisane
For me Chuck's report was great but it did point something out that I had not read before in all the write-ups that I had previously read. I knew you needed to use 209's to ignite it but I did not know that you had to have a closed 209 igntion system to get it to work consistently. I had ordered a couple of bottles of it but will have to cancel the order as the onlyinlines that I have that have the closed system is the two Omega's, all the rest (6 of 'em) are open 209 ignition - so for me the cost of the powder and the fact about the necessity of the closed breech suddenly ends my quest.
And another point or am I wrong?
100 grains of BH209 - 250 grain bullet ='s 1783fps average
for me
100 grains of T7-2f - 250 grain bullet ='s 1860fps average
also
100 grains of BH209 - 290 grain bullet ='s 1739fps average
100 grains of T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1750fps average
Can not compare 120 grains - never shot that much powder, but I have shot 110 grains of T7-2f over the chrono...
110 grains T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1825fps
The "no-swabbing" certainly is huge, and non-corrosive is even bigger - just wish it was a more universal powder...
One last thought... as quoted by Chuck
So I can not shoot my big bull shop conicals???
Just random thoughts from the peanut gallery...
For me Chuck's report was great but it did point something out that I had not read before in all the write-ups that I had previously read. I knew you needed to use 209's to ignite it but I did not know that you had to have a closed 209 igntion system to get it to work consistently. I had ordered a couple of bottles of it but will have to cancel the order as the onlyinlines that I have that have the closed system is the two Omega's, all the rest (6 of 'em) are open 209 ignition - so for me the cost of the powder and the fact about the necessity of the closed breech suddenly ends my quest.
And another point or am I wrong?
100 grains of BH209 - 250 grain bullet ='s 1783fps average
for me
100 grains of T7-2f - 250 grain bullet ='s 1860fps average
also
100 grains of BH209 - 290 grain bullet ='s 1739fps average
100 grains of T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1750fps average
Can not compare 120 grains - never shot that much powder, but I have shot 110 grains of T7-2f over the chrono...
110 grains T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1825fps
The "no-swabbing" certainly is huge, and non-corrosive is even bigger - just wish it was a more universal powder...
One last thought... as quoted by Chuck
Bullets over 350gr are not recommended
So I can not shoot my big bull shop conicals???
Just random thoughts from the peanut gallery...
02-21-2008, 09:19 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Blackhorn 209
One of the things my friend said he found out with it was that if the bullet and sabot fit did not have enough resistance to moving the velocity drops sharply. Just how tight hes talking about I am not sure but I have found that it makes some differance with the other subs to. Lee
02-21-2008, 10:45 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Blackhorn 209
ORIGINAL: sabotloader
Semisane
For me Chuck's report was great but it did point something out that I had not read before in all the write-ups that I had previously read. I knew you needed to use 209's to ignite it but I did not know that you had to have a closed 209 igntion system to get it to work consistently. I had ordered a couple of bottles of it but will have to cancel the order as the onlyinlines that I have that have the closed system is the two Omega's, all the rest (6 of 'em) are open 209 ignition - so for me the cost of the powder and the fact about the necessity of the closed breech suddenly ends my quest.
And another point or am I wrong?
100 grains of BH209 - 250 grain bullet ='s 1783fps average
for me
100 grains of T7-2f - 250 grain bullet ='s 1860fps average
also
100 grains of BH209 - 290 grain bullet ='s 1739fps average
100 grains of T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1750fps average
Can not compare 120 grains - never shot that much powder, but I have shot 110 grains of T7-2f over the chrono...
110 grains T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1825fps
The "no-swabbing" certainly is huge, and non-corrosive is even bigger - just wish it was a more universal powder...
One last thought... as quoted by Chuck
So I can not shoot my big bull shop conicals???
Just random thoughts from the peanut gallery...
Semisane
For me Chuck's report was great but it did point something out that I had not read before in all the write-ups that I had previously read. I knew you needed to use 209's to ignite it but I did not know that you had to have a closed 209 igntion system to get it to work consistently. I had ordered a couple of bottles of it but will have to cancel the order as the onlyinlines that I have that have the closed system is the two Omega's, all the rest (6 of 'em) are open 209 ignition - so for me the cost of the powder and the fact about the necessity of the closed breech suddenly ends my quest.
And another point or am I wrong?
100 grains of BH209 - 250 grain bullet ='s 1783fps average
for me
100 grains of T7-2f - 250 grain bullet ='s 1860fps average
also
100 grains of BH209 - 290 grain bullet ='s 1739fps average
100 grains of T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1750fps average
Can not compare 120 grains - never shot that much powder, but I have shot 110 grains of T7-2f over the chrono...
110 grains T7-2f - 300 grain bullet ='s 1825fps
The "no-swabbing" certainly is huge, and non-corrosive is even bigger - just wish it was a more universal powder...
One last thought... as quoted by Chuck
Bullets over 350gr are not recommended
So I can not shoot my big bull shop conicals???
Just random thoughts from the peanut gallery...
02-21-2008, 10:49 AM
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RE: Blackhorn 209
Lee
When you read Chuck's write up and the things that he quotes from the jug - then the fact that the 209 must be held in closed system to stop blow back - does it not really seem like that BH209 reacts more like a a progressive buring powder than a BP sub?
I guess the first thing that got me thinking this was the different volume max'es for the different weights of bullets + add in the 350 max weight of a projectile.
Questions - questions -questions????
When you read Chuck's write up and the things that he quotes from the jug - then the fact that the 209 must be held in closed system to stop blow back - does it not really seem like that BH209 reacts more like a a progressive buring powder than a BP sub?
I guess the first thing that got me thinking this was the different volume max'es for the different weights of bullets + add in the 350 max weight of a projectile.
Questions - questions -questions????
02-21-2008, 11:17 AM
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RE: Blackhorn 209
And it seems the .25 ACP conversions won't ignite the stuff either. I've already converted both of the breech plugs I have from my Mustang to .25 ACP.
Oh well, I guess I'll sit back and read the reports. It's gonna` take some real positive results to get me to buy some. I really don't mind swabbing barrels and cleaningguns after a shoot.
Oh well, I guess I'll sit back and read the reports. It's gonna` take some real positive results to get me to buy some. I really don't mind swabbing barrels and cleaningguns after a shoot.
02-21-2008, 12:03 PM
#18
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Blackhorn 209
Semisane, are you sure? A mag. small rifle prime is pretty hot. If it were me I think I would check it out.
I have a friend that uses large rifle mag primers and he claims better velocity and better accuracy AND cleaner barrel after wards even with 777. He uses a shorten 44 case in a 700 action he made up him self. Lee
I have a friend that uses large rifle mag primers and he claims better velocity and better accuracy AND cleaner barrel after wards even with 777. He uses a shorten 44 case in a 700 action he made up him self. Lee