problems with my knight (updated)
#21
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: problems with my knight
Well before I blamed the equipment I would remember that some times when guns sit a while they require a really good cleaning to get the residue fron oil grease old plastic or lead out.
Try the simple thing first,use boiling water one of the good citrus soaps and a new bore brush and scrub it good.
then look at your componants is the powder or sabot old? maybe they are not so good any more.
If its a wood stock did it warp?
If it has a scope on it maybe it got banged when the barrel of a scope has been bent so vary slightly that you can not tell it it will have a massive amount of parrallax.
Lee
Try the simple thing first,use boiling water one of the good citrus soaps and a new bore brush and scrub it good.
then look at your componants is the powder or sabot old? maybe they are not so good any more.
If its a wood stock did it warp?
If it has a scope on it maybe it got banged when the barrel of a scope has been bent so vary slightly that you can not tell it it will have a massive amount of parrallax.
Lee
#22
RE: problems with my knight
i removed the iron sights wheni installed my scope. it's a syn stock (but it also came with a laminate stock), the master hunter is different then the average disc rifle, it has a cryo sealed barrel. all my powder is kept is a moisture controled enviroment, everything i well maintained and cleaned.
I take good care of my stuff and i know about the guns, I work in a gun shop and sell muzzleloaders all the time and my coustumers ask me for advise all the time. i can help them out no problem, i just can't figure myself out.
heck at the last buying show i was at the knight sells rep flat out told me that kinght really screwed up and let T/C kick there a*s when it came to updating there guns. the T/C rep said when i asked him "why should i shoot your gun, put down my knight and pick up a t/c?" he said "the speed breech alone is enough reason." now after shooting my triumph i understand why.
I take good care of my stuff and i know about the guns, I work in a gun shop and sell muzzleloaders all the time and my coustumers ask me for advise all the time. i can help them out no problem, i just can't figure myself out.
heck at the last buying show i was at the knight sells rep flat out told me that kinght really screwed up and let T/C kick there a*s when it came to updating there guns. the T/C rep said when i asked him "why should i shoot your gun, put down my knight and pick up a t/c?" he said "the speed breech alone is enough reason." now after shooting my triumph i understand why.
#24
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RE: problems with my knight (updated)
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i thought i had my problems solved. I've got a knight master hunter that i've had for about 5 years. i've never had that great of accurcy with it. i've shot the barnes red hot 250, sbt 245, shockwave 250 superglide, 777 lose, AP loose, black box pellets, red box mags. i thought that i got it all sighted in great this summer. i doubled checked it yesterday and i was all over the place. no consistacy at all. will not hold a group at 100yds. i mean that is all over the place without touching my scope. low left, high right, low right. i don't understand how or why. everything is tight, stock, scope etc. why is this happening? what should i do? my season is next weekend. i'm half tempted to get a new gun. i clean the barrel after each shot.
also the blow back fouling is horible. i get a ton of residue coming back trough the breech plug, getting under my bolt gumming it up so bad that it's hard to close and this was after just 9 shots.
i thought i had my problems solved. I've got a knight master hunter that i've had for about 5 years. i've never had that great of accurcy with it. i've shot the barnes red hot 250, sbt 245, shockwave 250 superglide, 777 lose, AP loose, black box pellets, red box mags. i thought that i got it all sighted in great this summer. i doubled checked it yesterday and i was all over the place. no consistacy at all. will not hold a group at 100yds. i mean that is all over the place without touching my scope. low left, high right, low right. i don't understand how or why. everything is tight, stock, scope etc. why is this happening? what should i do? my season is next weekend. i'm half tempted to get a new gun. i clean the barrel after each shot.
also the blow back fouling is horible. i get a ton of residue coming back trough the breech plug, getting under my bolt gumming it up so bad that it's hard to close and this was after just 9 shots.
i talked to knight today. this is what the guy said. I'm cleaning wrong. i clean with a solvent patch then dry patch then reload. he said i'm cleaning to much. i should only spit on a patch and that's it.
he said that a fouled barrel will shoot better then a clean one. so when i go out to hunt he said i should load up with a juck round, shoot it spit clean and reload with hunting round. that's hard for me to comprehend.
he also said something about the front scope base screw holes and the seating depth of the screws need to not be bottomed out. i don't get that either.
and the last things is to help prevent the blowback i should screw in the breech plug itll finger tight (which i always did) then back it out about 1/2 to 1 turn to eleminate any headspacing that may occur on the other end witht he primer and bolt face.
sounds like alot of unnecessary stuff.
sounds like alot of unnecessary stuff.
EDIT: Forgot to add someting. Throw out the APP. That stuff is awful. It is extremely inconsistant powder.
#25
RE: problems with my knight (updated)
loading with my knight bullets was very tough. the knight ez loads were alot easier as well as the shockwave super glides.
my bases and rings are tight. i use blue locktite on the screws. the bases and rings are burris redfield style. i don't use bore butter, just light oil during storage. it's the orginal plug and i've shot probably 100rds through it.
i hate a fouled barrel as well. i real anal about keeping my guns in mint condition.
my bases and rings are tight. i use blue locktite on the screws. the bases and rings are burris redfield style. i don't use bore butter, just light oil during storage. it's the orginal plug and i've shot probably 100rds through it.
i hate a fouled barrel as well. i real anal about keeping my guns in mint condition.
#26
Join Date: Sep 2003
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RE: problems with my knight (updated)
Ok. This is a tough one. What I would do is pull the scope. Remove the rear screw on the front base and see if the base moves any when you tug on it. Since your gun isn't sighted in it won't make any difference. If it's loose then remove a little off the bottom. I know you say it's tight but I've known veteran shooters who havehad loose bases. It won't take much to make sure. Scopes are always suspect so you may want to put the sights back on and see how it shoots with them if it's not the base. Other than that a new breech plug would be a good investment. Sometimes they just don't last.
If none of this works send it back to Knight.
If none of this works send it back to Knight.
#29
RE: problems with my knight
I have seen the same with 2 posi-lock burris scopes. Pull it off and use the open sights or another scope. If it is the scope send it to burris and ask for the same model w/o posi!!!
As far as the Knight gun, I havent seen one that won't shoot 100 - 110grs loose T7 with a 250grn sst without someaccuracy (2.5" groups seems to be worst case) I might be lucky but knock on wood it seems to work.
As far as the Knight gun, I havent seen one that won't shoot 100 - 110grs loose T7 with a 250grn sst without someaccuracy (2.5" groups seems to be worst case) I might be lucky but knock on wood it seems to work.
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