Savage 10 ML
06-01-2007, 07:02 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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Chap,of all the savages that I have set up or helped set up he last 3 0r 4 years only a few of them shot better by swabbing between shots,wanted to mention it because the savage is like any other type of muzzleloader useing little tricks to get better accuracy.Most are useing the IMR4759 in different grains,one fellow is useing IMR4227 and won't change,he says he has killed deer out to 280yds with it and going to keep useing it.A couple are useing the 5744 and like it.One fellow was very hard headed and used the dippers to measure his 4759,and couldn't get it to shoot too good at 100 yds,he had a friend with him and he wasn't hard headed and listened,by the time we had his rifle set up he shot a 3shot one hole group,a week later the other fellow called me and said he that he had finally shot a one holer,I said you weighed your load didn't you and he addmitted that he did.
Another thing that has helped my savage to shoot more constant is that I had my buddie to bed the recoil lug,I tightened the front screw and never touch it,unless I am going to strip it all the way down to do a good cleaning,to clean after range trip I just turn the back screw enough to get the bolt out.
The only requirement if I am going to help anyone set up a savage is that they clean the barrel with JB bore cleaner with at least 200 strokes.This gives them a very clean barrel to start with and saves time in working up loads..
The mmp short sabot is a good choice with the xtp,below is a pic compareing a knight sabot to the mmp useing the xtp's.
Chap,of all the savages that I have set up or helped set up he last 3 0r 4 years only a few of them shot better by swabbing between shots,wanted to mention it because the savage is like any other type of muzzleloader useing little tricks to get better accuracy.Most are useing the IMR4759 in different grains,one fellow is useing IMR4227 and won't change,he says he has killed deer out to 280yds with it and going to keep useing it.A couple are useing the 5744 and like it.One fellow was very hard headed and used the dippers to measure his 4759,and couldn't get it to shoot too good at 100 yds,he had a friend with him and he wasn't hard headed and listened,by the time we had his rifle set up he shot a 3shot one hole group,a week later the other fellow called me and said he that he had finally shot a one holer,I said you weighed your load didn't you and he addmitted that he did.
Another thing that has helped my savage to shoot more constant is that I had my buddie to bed the recoil lug,I tightened the front screw and never touch it,unless I am going to strip it all the way down to do a good cleaning,to clean after range trip I just turn the back screw enough to get the bolt out.
The only requirement if I am going to help anyone set up a savage is that they clean the barrel with JB bore cleaner with at least 200 strokes.This gives them a very clean barrel to start with and saves time in working up loads..
The mmp short sabot is a good choice with the xtp,below is a pic compareing a knight sabot to the mmp useing the xtp's.
06-01-2007, 09:52 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
Ok. Here is shooting with 44g of weighed 5744, 300g XTP, Federal Primer, MMP Shot Sabot, no swabing. The barrel stayed pretty cool, I put water on it on shot 6 and 8. Here is 50 yards first 3 shots. Chap
And here is 92.5 range finder yards, the next 7 shots:
And here is 92.5 range finder yards, the next 7 shots:
06-01-2007, 09:54 AM
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Ok. Here is shooting this AMwith 44g of weighed AA 5744, 300g XTP bullet, Federal Primer, MMP Short blackSabot, no swabbing. The barrel stayed pretty cool, I put water on it on shot 6 and 8. Here is 50 yards first 3 shots.
And here is 92.5 range finder yards, the next 7 shots:
Which is realy good shooting for me--usually I am 3" at 100 yards with a Omega and Disc with a 3x9 Bushnell 3200 scope. So the "error of my ways" was not weighing the charge the first 30 shots I shot out of the gun. Now to try some other bullets, since I have the Hornady dialed inOK with the factory recommended charge. Shots4,5,6 were touching.1.5" vertical group and 1.5" horizontal group, maybe a 2" group overall, I would say I am shooting 1.5" high at 100 yards. I am impresssed with the Savage out of the box accuracy with the recommended load, bullet and sabot.
Chap
And here is 92.5 range finder yards, the next 7 shots:
Which is realy good shooting for me--usually I am 3" at 100 yards with a Omega and Disc with a 3x9 Bushnell 3200 scope. So the "error of my ways" was not weighing the charge the first 30 shots I shot out of the gun. Now to try some other bullets, since I have the Hornady dialed inOK with the factory recommended charge. Shots4,5,6 were touching.1.5" vertical group and 1.5" horizontal group, maybe a 2" group overall, I would say I am shooting 1.5" high at 100 yards. I am impresssed with the Savage out of the box accuracy with the recommended load, bullet and sabot.
Chap
06-01-2007, 10:16 AM
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Looks like you doing really well,if I am looking at the squares right looks like you got 4 shots in one inch and 2 slightly out.
Now all you need is practice and you will be shooting some oneholers too.
The 50 yd group looks like a tiny triangle,any time a rifle of any caliber shoots triangles of any size means that it has the potintal of being a shooter.
Glad you are doing so good keep it up,if I can help in any way just let me know.
Now all you need is practice and you will be shooting some oneholers too.
The 50 yd group looks like a tiny triangle,any time a rifle of any caliber shoots triangles of any size means that it has the potintal of being a shooter.
Glad you are doing so good keep it up,if I can help in any way just let me know.
06-01-2007, 10:27 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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Looks like you doing really well,if I am looking at the squares right looks like you got 4 shots in one inch and 2 slightly out.
Now all you need is practice and you will be shooting some oneholers too.
The 50 yd group looks like a tiny triangle,any time a rifle of any caliber shoots triangles of any size means that it has the potintal of being a shooter.
Glad you are doing so good keep it up,if I can help in any way just let me know.
Looks like you doing really well,if I am looking at the squares right looks like you got 4 shots in one inch and 2 slightly out.
Now all you need is practice and you will be shooting some oneholers too.
The 50 yd group looks like a tiny triangle,any time a rifle of any caliber shoots triangles of any size means that it has the potintal of being a shooter.
Glad you are doing so good keep it up,if I can help in any way just let me know.
Chap Gleason
06-01-2007, 10:30 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
Something to consider getting is the EZ Rachet breechplug tool, as it allows you to remove the breechplug without loosening the rear action screw, thus eliminating a possible move of POI due to shifting. I have never noticed a shift in my sav, but have one on order. You can get the info to order one, if interested on the link I post earlier to Dougs Message Board. They are a little spendy, at least I think so, at $43 and change, but seem like a very good thing to have if accuracy is especiallly important to you.
06-01-2007, 11:34 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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Hi Chap,
WOW...
Just do not forget to check the hole in the ventliner: when = or > 0.035 inch change it.
Have a good practice
Herman,
You are a great "10ml-II mentor"
Etienne Brule.
Hi Chap,
WOW...
Just do not forget to check the hole in the ventliner: when = or > 0.035 inch change it.
Have a good practice
Herman,
You are a great "10ml-II mentor"
Etienne Brule.
Vent Liner_Etienne_2007_06_01.pdf so I remember what was said and who said it. Just like doing a research paper and referencing something someone else said. Again, thanks so much for your help and your willing spirit. Chap
06-01-2007, 11:39 AM
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RE: Savage 10 ML
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Something to consider getting is the EZ Rachet breechplug tool, as it allows you to remove the breechplug without loosening the rear action screw, thus eliminating a possible move of POI due to shifting. I have never noticed a shift in my sav, but have one on order. You can get the info to order one, if interested on the link I post earlier to Dougs Message Board. They are a little spendy, at least I think so, at $43 and change, but seem like a very good thing to have if accuracy is especiallly important to you.
Something to consider getting is the EZ Rachet breechplug tool, as it allows you to remove the breechplug without loosening the rear action screw, thus eliminating a possible move of POI due to shifting. I have never noticed a shift in my sav, but have one on order. You can get the info to order one, if interested on the link I post earlier to Dougs Message Board. They are a little spendy, at least I think so, at $43 and change, but seem like a very good thing to have if accuracy is especiallly important to you.
Chap