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Old 03-21-2007, 06:55 PM
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Huntaway -

Very good point about the first shot on game.

As an archer, I've often wondered if the best practice might be shooting just one arrow. Spend 10 minutes waiting; studying the target....and finally, let go just one arrow.
I shoot a 3-shot group when I practice with my bow..I shoot 1from 10yrds, 1 from 20yrds, and 1 from 30yrds. I have my arrows numbered 1,2,3 so I know which is which. Maybe this would be a good exercise for the gun range also- 50 yrds, 75yrds, and 100yrds? Since it is the first shot that counts and it would allow you to more consistently practice at different ranges and better judge the shot distance.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:05 PM
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Good idea! Shoot the 50, 75 then 100, and repeat 5 times. That'll tell you something.
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:12 PM
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Most often the problem when there is one is the man behind the gun. Lee
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Old 03-21-2007, 07:25 PM
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I shoot a 3-shot group when I practice with my bow..I shoot 1from 10yrds, 1 from 20yrds, and 1 from 30yrds. I have my arrows numbered 1,2,3 so I know which is which. Maybe this would be a good exercise for the gun range also- 50 yrds, 75yrds, and 100yrds? Since it is the first shot that counts and it would allow you to more consistently practice at different ranges and better judge the shot distance.
On the surface this would hold merit. But if you can put the first on the button at 100 with a rifle, then 50 and 75 should be academic, providing that you know your trajectory at those ranges with that particular load. They are so much more forgiving than a bow of minor variances.
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:04 PM
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I had some of those same questions before. I've basically come to my own conclusions.

I can now consistently shoot 3 or 3.5 inch 3 shot groups at 100 yards. That is off a rest on a table and with open sights with my Omega.

I believe that 3 shots is a group but 5 or more is better. I now shoot mainly 3 shot groups. I have come to the belief that I can consistently shoot 3 inch groups now becauseI have done it 5 range sessions in a row with my perfect load.I am not going to say I get those groups if I cannot CONSISTENTLY achieve them.

3 shots is most certainly a group and seems to be the norm for people who shoot for group consistency.

I used to shoot the same target for10 shots or soin a row and would rarely get good groups(better than8 inches). Show me someone that can shoot 20 bullets into the same target and get a 2 inch group and I will be impressed. Very few people can do it that I am aware of.

3 shot groups are the norm but 20 shot groups are much more impressive
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Old 03-21-2007, 08:12 PM
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I think 2 shots is more realistic. #1 at the animal, #2 is a quick follow up shot if needed and possibly another to put it down. You'll very very rarely ever get 3 shots at one animal. You're lucky to get one shot as it is. I shot 6 shots today at a 100 yard target, over shot them all but they were all landing next to eachother. Would have been perfect if i had a 188 yard target set up way back there! But atleast i now know where to leave my sights for 200+ yards
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:10 AM
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gotta look on the bright side---always
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Old 03-22-2007, 11:15 AM
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The 100 yd accuracy post leaves me with many questions.

1) What is a group?

. . . Someone knows how to calculate the odds, and suffice it to say. . .
Maybe this will answer some of your questions regarding the statistical probability. Each load, person, rifle combo has a different statistical probability.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1920039&mpage=1&key=grouping&amp ;#1920489

here is another

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1859280&mpage=1&key=probability& amp;#1860015
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:28 PM
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Pglasgow- that's it. Now help me with this.

If I can shoot a 3" 3 shot group consistently

and a 3" 3 shot group on a 6" circle 2/3 times

What will be the probability I shoot a 6 shot group in the 6" circle?
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Old 03-22-2007, 12:42 PM
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Yeoman, if you can shoot a 3" group consistently... why would you only shoot a 3" group in a 6" circle 2/3 of the time.

Seems a contradiction unless I'm missing something obvious (as usual).
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