onebigelk

Thanks again Cayuqad, geat info.

Pglasgow

Blackpowder is classified as an explosive. Pinnacle is not. It burns slowly, slower than Pyrodex. They could sell pinnacle if they chose to.

Blackpowder burns to. It burns so much faster than pyrodex and pinnacle that it can more easily be contained sufficiently to create an explosion.Given the right amount containment, pyrodex and pinnaclecould, i suspect,also cause an explosion.

You can use blackpowder or any blackpowder substitute safely in the scout.

eldeguello

More B.S. I am amazed at the number of total ignoramuses selling guns & ammo these days, and NOT just at Walmart!!!

Real BLACK POWDER is classified as a "low explosive", (which means that when it explodes, it does not produce the ultra-high-velocity shockwave that a HIGH EXPLOSIVE like TNT or dynamite produces); andin large quantities, black powderwillexplode if ignited, even if not confined.

However, smokeless powders AND"replica" or substitute black powders like Pyrodex, Pinnacle, APP, 777, etc., are ALL classified as "flammable solids", not explosives. All can be shipped and stored under the fire codes pertaining to flammable solids...... If ignited in the open, all they will do is BURN. They burn vigorously and impressively, but they will not explode.....

Pglasgow

I've noticed that groups open with 3f with lower charges than 2f. 90 grains 3f would yield similar muzzle velocity to 100 grains 2f and might tighten up for you.

MLKeith

Admit it MLKeith, you did that on purpose to make a bigger entry hole.. Out of curiosity, how far did that keyhole bullet travel inside the animal and what kind of damage did it do,

A while back I was shooting Shockwaves of all things and on the target got a perfect keyhole with the bullet. I was actually shocked to see it, but the out line through the paper was unmistakable.
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It was a .50 cal. 348gr. Powerbelt plated aerotip. It was only being driven by 80gr. of the Clear Shot (I think that is the old Goex one). It passed completely through a large cow elk (estimated 875lb walking - I got 375lbs. of deboned meat). It went completely through the heart and lodged in the far side ribcage. Distance was 80 yards. The plastic tip was still in the bullet and there was only a small dent on one side. I suspect I could have been reloaded and probably shot again. The cow walked slowly about 30 yards and fell over. Apparently the secret to keeping the Powerbelts together is to shoot them sideways. I have since decided to try to shoot pure lead conicals if I can get them to print OK. I have shot some .295gr. Powerbelts and had them go completely through the ribcage also. I have shot some other 300gr. bullets and am starting to believe that to drop an elk fast you need to have heavier bullets as none of mine have fallen down on the bullet impact like some of the outdoor shows indicate. I put two 300gr. bullets completely through another cow elk and she went at least 1/4 mile after and was still standing when I caught up with her. Both lungs were hit as well as a portion of the liver.

cayugad

That just supports what I was told by this guide I talked to at a gun show once. He claimed that he told his clients, shoot for the major organsand if possible shoot it again. He explained elk are tuff and will go a long distance with a fatal hit. I guess what you told me kind of supports that. I really need to hunt elk with a muzzleloader some day before my legs give out.

MLKeith

Dave:
Elk is the only big game I hunt as the deer meat in Arizona is not to my liking. I love eastern whitetail but desert Mule deer is too gamey for me. The elk are easier to find and the meat is great if you can get drawn for the hunt. Once one is down the real work starts. I hunt alone and a big elk is a lot of work. That first cow required me to be up to my shoulders in the belly cavity to try to reach the heart which I could not do. The gut pile was bigger than most big deer and getting the cow on my trailer took two hours and finally with help from a couple of passing hunters. I have worked out a program that requires two vehicles and a trailer some pulleys and a lot of rope to get the elk loaded. Missed my elk this year as the closest one was 140 yards ranged and my Omega has not been shooting that distance well with the present bullets so I passed. That is where the new White Thunderbolt is supposed to come into the picture if Doc ever finds a barrel for it. Had a cow tag and as luck would have it a big bull walked within a few feet of me on the last day of the hunt. I don't get to shoot as much as you do so the longer distance shots are not in my confidence range at this time. As noted the big animals do not go down easy and a bad shot on one is not anything I want to deal with.