100 yard accuracy
03-19-2007, 06:36 PM
#36
Join Date: Oct 2006
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RE: 100 yard accuracy
I would highly doubt if it's always the gun that's the problem. The shooter is not perfect. MOST, not all, but most guns can always shoot excellent. It's almost always a shooters imperfections. Nobody can control all flinching, shaking, etc.
03-20-2007, 04:15 AM
#37
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Hickory NC USA
Posts: 964
RE: 100 yard accuracy
If I had a muzzle loader or reg rifle and 6" was the best it would do it would be staying at home when I went to the woods.Depends on what you want to put into a muzzle loader or even a reg rifle as to what you get out of it.
I for one don't think any of these fellows are lying about their groups,for one reason I have shot a bunch of them and have seen what some of them can do.
Last year I helped a fellow set up his rem muzzie finally after a lot of shooting and several different powders and bullets I wittnessed him shooting a 3-shot one hole group.
Year before I helped 8 fellows set up their new savage muzzleloaders,before we got through,7 of the 8 shot a 3-shot one hole group.Watched one fellow put 7 in a row in one hole.So I know for fact that these fellows weren't lying about their groups.
A few days before muzzleloader season a young fellow came to the range said he wanted to try his muzzie before he went hunting,at 50 yds he was spraying bullets every where,He finally got a couple about 8 in from the bullseye,and said that was good enough.My shooting buddie told him to hold up and volunteered my help.before he left he shot a group about 3 in at 100 yds.
What I am trying to say is I hope there aren't many that settle for 6" groups when I think you can do a lot better with a little know how and enough practice.
I am getting ready to go to the range today soon as it gets daylight,won't be muzzleloaders today mostly varmit rifles.Plenty of all day fun too.
I for one don't think any of these fellows are lying about their groups,for one reason I have shot a bunch of them and have seen what some of them can do.
Last year I helped a fellow set up his rem muzzie finally after a lot of shooting and several different powders and bullets I wittnessed him shooting a 3-shot one hole group.
Year before I helped 8 fellows set up their new savage muzzleloaders,before we got through,7 of the 8 shot a 3-shot one hole group.Watched one fellow put 7 in a row in one hole.So I know for fact that these fellows weren't lying about their groups.
A few days before muzzleloader season a young fellow came to the range said he wanted to try his muzzie before he went hunting,at 50 yds he was spraying bullets every where,He finally got a couple about 8 in from the bullseye,and said that was good enough.My shooting buddie told him to hold up and volunteered my help.before he left he shot a group about 3 in at 100 yds.
What I am trying to say is I hope there aren't many that settle for 6" groups when I think you can do a lot better with a little know how and enough practice.
I am getting ready to go to the range today soon as it gets daylight,won't be muzzleloaders today mostly varmit rifles.Plenty of all day fun too.
03-20-2007, 04:51 AM
#38
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas - BUT NOW in Madison County, NY
Posts: 6,270
RE: 100 yard accuracy
ORIGINAL: outdoorslover
You should be very happy with 5-6 inch groups at 100 yards.
Very few shooters can shoot 1 inch groups and very few do.
You should be very happy with 5-6 inch groups at 100 yards.
Very few shooters can shoot 1 inch groups and very few do.
But let's not confuse matters here. How a shooter performs, and how a gun performs, are apples and oranges! I always remove as much of the HUMAN ERROR as I can when testing guns & loads!
03-20-2007, 05:03 AM
#39
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Posts: 3,246
RE: 100 yard accuracy
ORIGINAL: Underclocked
outdoorslover, if I had a muzzleloader that wouldn't do better than a 6" group at 100 yards -it would not be mine long.
outdoorslover, if I had a muzzleloader that wouldn't do better than a 6" group at 100 yards -it would not be mine long.
6" groups need some adjustment of load, bullet or rest. If your doing it all the time, I think you need some form of good rest. If your flinching all the time, get a Caudwell Lead Slead and then get your confidence build up. Nothing is more discouraging to have your rifle not grouping and you shoulder sore after shooting 20 or 30 shots.Get windage at 25 yards, and get it grouping there. Then move back to 50 and get it grouping at 50 2" high for most bullets. Then move back to 100 and shot your 3 shot groups.Much easier to adjust at 25 and 50 yards and if you can't group close, your not going to group at 100. Chap Gleason
03-20-2007, 02:13 PM
#40
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
RE: 100 yard accuracy
gleason.chapman
Ok - UC and Chap... when you are talking about a 3" group @ 100 are you talking with open sights or a scope and with a ML. I can get 1.5/2" groups @100with about any inline and scope combination that I shoot. That is not a problem at all, but they all have scopes. Now on the other hand when I move to a sidelock with open sights, I wish I could say that I could consistently get that same at 100, but the truth is they do expand. I can, and I would like to say "easily" maintain a 4" group with several shots, but it really is not that easy it takes a lot of concentration for me.
I have always considered myself a decent shot, actually pretty lucky shot, but I could not honestly tell anyone with open sights off a portable bench and bags I could consistently get 3" groups, with a volume powder hunting load (not weighed)in the barrel. Now if I loaded down just for targets and the wind gods would stop all wind when I was shooting - then maybe...
There are just so many different forces acting upon a bullet that I really can not control @ 100 I feel really comfortable with a 4" group @ 100 with open sights on a ML. Gees even just how you breath or don't breath can make a difference, but the biggest factor still remains inconsistentx-winds and drafts especially on the slower conicals.
I guess I just ain't that good after all...
Shudup Cdad...
I am with you on this UC. 3" groups arethe norm for most people with an occasion flyer or jerk or whatever, but when you get your rifle zeroed in I would say 3" is what your shooting for. 2" is excellent, the 1 inch stuff shown here is only at 50 yards for me or two shots groups at 100.
I have always considered myself a decent shot, actually pretty lucky shot, but I could not honestly tell anyone with open sights off a portable bench and bags I could consistently get 3" groups, with a volume powder hunting load (not weighed)in the barrel. Now if I loaded down just for targets and the wind gods would stop all wind when I was shooting - then maybe...
There are just so many different forces acting upon a bullet that I really can not control @ 100 I feel really comfortable with a 4" group @ 100 with open sights on a ML. Gees even just how you breath or don't breath can make a difference, but the biggest factor still remains inconsistentx-winds and drafts especially on the slower conicals.
I guess I just ain't that good after all...
Shudup Cdad...