sabotloader

This has really been a good week, got to shoot the White on Monday, the Remington on Thursday, and on Friday the newly re-barreled Renegade... wish I could have shot everyday, but Terry thought I should do some stuff around here. I am trying to get ready, CDad might be coming over from Kennewick next Saturday and he is so darn competitive - I gotta get the practice in...

Thursday, when I got home from Strychnine big brown had been here and left my newly purchased e-barrel... It looked good on the out side and as the seller had indicated pretty good on the inside, not as good as I hoped but "pretty good." I was bidding on this barrel and another barrel a "like new - maybe never fired" barrel. I had the "new barrel" with 47 seconds left in the bidding - i was feeling real good - then one of those "power buyers" with their hidden bids got it for a $1.50 over my bid - @#%&... I hote those guys... so my second choice was the barrel that arrived Thursday.

Put the barrel on Friday morning and headed to Little Boulder Friday after noon. I had cleaned it at home but decided that i would shoot some 350 REAL's lubed with JB's bore paste from it first. I had about 12 of these shorter 320's figuring in a 1/48 twist I could not use the long No Excuses or Bull Shops.

The first 3 shots @ fifty were those JB lubed 320's and @ 50 yards they were a bit low, but not unexpected they were pretty loose going down the barrel. So I made the decision to go ahead and shoot some 460's no matter if I could not stabilize them. I adjusted the sight up what I thought might give me a little more heighth and loaded up a 460 - .504 Bull Shop. It was really tight, but shot it out, it was the hit at 9:30 left of the bull. Next I loaded a 460 -.503 No Excuse - perfect slip fit. I then shot 6 of the No Excuses - really a decent group ecept for shot #3 and # 4. These are the to holes up and away one @ 11:00 and the @ 2:30. Now here is my question???. Both of these bullets came off the bottom of the box and had a big glob of well set lube hanging off the nose of the bullet on one side... really sid not think much about it just picked up the bullet and thumbed it down - then set it with the ram rod. COULD that glob of lube on the nose caused these two bullets to move a bit???? That is the only way I can explain those two shots. Then next shots I did wipe the lube off the nose and they settled right back in.

I was not really that happy with the 100 yard five shots, but decided it was OK and did not attempt a sixth shot cause I did not want to mess it up....

Then the fun part, I put out 6 clay pigeons on the rock wall behing the targetand started shooting them. I was feeling really good because I got five in row on the first shot... then on the sixth I wanted to see the bird break if I could, cause I was wondering if I was really hitting them or were fall of the wall because of the impact of the Grenade I was shooting some where around them. I am sur those big lead sinkers cause a mini earthquake when the hit. Well, in my effort to see I missed 6 cause I got me head of the stock to look, well when I looked the birds was still there so I had to load up one more to get it... got it.

Now, after all of that I really am surprised the 1/48 twist would stabilize the big long bullet. But I see no reaso to not use those conicals for the new Idaho rules even from a 1/48.... You know the funny part is if you take the scopes off my otherwise Idaho legal inlines I do not think that I could do any better with one of those. I do not see why the Traditionalist beleive the inlines (under old Idaho rules) are that much better than sidehammers...

Oh, here is the target and a picture of the rock pit - thought you might be able to see the clay pigeons in the rocks just above the target but that is what they looked like to me through the sites also.





If you go here you might get a better pic....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/sabotloader/Ren50Target.jpg

I am doing my house work today... forgivness for getting another barrel...

mike

goatbrother

Just more proof that the new Idaho rulse are just a bunch of hooy. It just don't matter what mechanisim strikes the cap, what comes out the muzzle is the same.

cayugad

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COULD that glob of lube on the nose caused these two bullets to move a bit????

I have made a habit of when loading conicals with my lube on them, I always "wipe their nose" you might say. I take a patch and wipe any excess lube off the nose of the conical, before setting it. My thinking is, while that might not effect the conical, what if, just as it left the muzzle and was in the process of throwing that lube off, it effected the flight path. Ever have a tire with a wheel weight in the wrong place? It will effect the rotation of the tire. While I am not trying to compare the two, WHAT IF that small amount of lube was able to just for a brief second tip that conical just a hair? It should effect where that thing will hit down range. For that reason of thinking (yes a sick mind is a terrible thing to waste) I wipe the nose of the conical free of any lube. I figure the bore will take care of the sides, and the heat will take care of the bottom.

That is some good shooting there Conicalloader .. er Sabotloader. I knew you'd come around. Just a matter of time. I also agree that with open sights, an inline is no more deadly then a traditional rifle. As I always said, if you can not see it, you can not shoot it. I can only see and shoot so far with my eyes. Granted some people try and stretch that distance but a lot of them are doing hail Mary's. Just shootin and prayin. I think even with the restrictions you will do fine in the muzzleloader season. The real shame is, what of all the Idaho people that do not have access to the traditional rifles. Some now have a couple hundred dollar wall hanger, IE target shooting rifle on nice weekends.

Nice shooting there Sabotloader. Maybe someday I can make it out to Idaho and we can go shoot as well. Even bring Cascadedad along.

alsaqr

That is some really good shooting.

Underclocked

In my opinion (read that as unsubstantiated by science ), excessive lube is an accuracy bandit - especially when the shooter fails to remove any deposits made by that lube at the crown. Betcha some .503 Bull Shops would have really been the ticket!

cayugad

I meant to ask.. what kind of powder and how much were you shooting? No wads I take it? thanks.

sabotloader

UC

Ya, I really want to get some from Dan, for the Renegade and the Hawken... not sure that i will use them in an inline yet.... hoping Dan gets healthy real soon but then he will be flooded with orders....

I really did not think about it, since I am new to heavy artillery stuff, but when those two bullets went a-stray a bit I really wondered. From then I did as Cayugad suggested and wiped the top of the bullet off - then every thing seemed to seetle back... never thought about the crown though - I will follow through on that from now on also.

I have been cleaning the bore all morning and can not seem to get a clear patch out of it. It really looks like a light grey material on the patch all the time - i am thinking it is lead, but I have JB'ed it, used Butches Bore Shine, boiling water - it is getting less in material and less color all the time but it has been a pain.... Do not really know if it is lead fouling from the previous owner or not...

I am going to try to shoot it again on Monday and go through the whole routing cleaning again, hopefully I'll get it all cleaned out.

sabotloader

cayugad

T7 is all I have so 80 grains T7-3f with a .125x.510 shot card under the bullet... I still am concerned about melting the bottom of the bullet. I find the cards down range - they are about 1/2 as thick but look unburnt - maybe that is what happened to the missing 1/2...

cascadedad

Why does everybody always pick on me????

roundball

For what it's worth, I agree 100%...I've never seenthe inline rifle itself as the major issue, and have actually made the occasional post that since the hunter has made the $$ investment, at least let the rifle itself be used.

My opinion (and I believe that of most others) hasbeen centered around all the items ofmodern advantage that are 99.999% of the time associated with inlines, thatprovide long range and/or performance enhancements.

Scopesare themost obviousone of course, followed by other things not normally available back in those days such as hot 209 primer ignition, sabot/jacketed bullets, smokeless powder, etc, all of which push a rifle into the edge ofcenterfire type performance.

But I agreethe rifles themselves should be allowedin if used with components typical of those used back in those days like patched balls, conicals, #11 caps, flints, etc.

And like you said, once the scope is taken out of the equationa 1:48" sidelock is a pretty darn accurate rifle...I think the scopedictates the type of hunting...with a scope we're prone to sit over crop fields, powerlines, etc...without a scope, we're usuallyinto the woods where shots are usually 25-75 yards...so an open sighted side lock is fine.