sabotloader

in-line muzzleloaders still legal

Since the Idaho Fish and Game Commission adopted a new definition of muzzleloader hunts, the Department of Fish and Game has received an unusual number of complaints.

The Fish and Game commissioners recognized the effect of their decision to adopt restrictions on muzzleloader technology and their decision was not taken lightly. Commissioners have been considering the changes for more than a year. Weapons technology was the subject of meetings in all seven Idaho regions and of a hunter survey.

The decision does not outlaw current muzzleloader technology per se, and some in-line models may still fit the new restrictions. But many models featuring recent advances in muzzle-loading weapons technology are no longer allowed in muzzleloader-only hunts. The modern muzzleloaders legal under Idaho rules up to now could still be used in special short-range weapons hunts and in any-weapon hunts.

Muzzleloader hunting offers a unique and traditionally important activity for many Idaho hunters. The commissioners felt they had to draw a well-defined line to restrict rapidly-advancing muzzleloader technology. Otherwise, the opportunity for special muzzleloader hunts would become more restricted.

Fish and Game has offered muzzleloader-only hunts since the early 1970s. Special seasons were set aside for hunters who used primitive weapons that had limited range of up to about 100 yards and relied on black powder sensitive to moisture and prone to misfiring.

The previous rules were adopted by the commission in 1991. At that time, more than 10,000 hunters participated in big game muzzleloader hunts. Since then, however, technology has changed and hunters have asked the department to review muzzleloader weapon restrictions.

In recent years, the number of special muzzleloader hunts and the number of participants have declined.


In 2001, Fish and Game began implementing "traditional" muzzleloader big game seasons to offset improved range and effectiveness of modern muzzleloaders and to maintain the number of muzzleloader opportunities.
Muzzleloader technology improvements have made the rifles more accurate and more efficient. Some manufacturers tout rifles effective up to 250 yards, approaching modern .30-.30 centerfire rifles, which have an effective range of 250 to 300 yards.

The improved weapons mean better hunter success and more game animals killed.

To limit the numbers killed, opportunities were reduced. To allow muzzleloader opportunities to continue, commissioners decided to limit special muzzleloader hunts to weapons that meet tighter restrictions.
The Commission and the Department of Fish and Game spent more than a year reviewing muzzleloader technology and soliciting comments from Idaho muzzleloader hunters. Comment showed those hunters to be about equally split between maintaining existing equipment restrictions and adding further restrictions.

In November the commission conducted a public workshop in Lewiston to learn more about muzzleloader technology. A survey was distributed to hunters at regional open houses and made available on the department website.

Of nearly 4,000 comments, slightly more hunters favored tighter restrictions than opposed such restriction. When asked whether Idaho should restrict all special muzzleloader hunting seasons to "traditional" muzzleloaders, 48 percent said yes, 44 percent said no and 8 percent had no opinion.

Ultimately, the commissioners' decision was based on a shared concern for declining muzzleloader hunting opportunity over the past decade.
The new rules require that muzzleloaders must:

- Use all-lead bullets at least within 10/1,000 (.010) of the bore diameter.
- Have open sights, and use only loose black powder or synthetic black powder.
- Have an exposed, pivoting hammer and an exposed ignition using only flint, musket caps or percussion caps.
Muzzle-loading weapons also must be at least .45 caliber for deer, antelope or mountain lion; and at least .50 caliber for elk, moose, bighorn sheep, mountain goat or black bear.

Pglasgow

And the poor little hawken thought it was going to get to hunt . Will the White work for the regs?

Roskoe

As much pain as the change must be bringing, at least the process sounds a lot more democratic than the way they tried to do it here when they banned the in-line guns.

Roskoe

It also looks like you will be able to use certain Powerbelt bullets - like the lead 405 gr. They measure .499, so you should be OK.

Yoter

Roskoe,
It sounds democratic, but was actually quite underhanded. The poll results noted were not sent out in a democratic fashion. They were given to a select group of hunters, in my opinion to get the results they wanted. If it were fair, they would have at least sent the poll to all holders of a muzzleloading permit in the last year.

An if you read the article in the original post, it basically says that in-lines are not legal in any muzzleloader hunts any longer. They can only be used in any weapon (rifle), or short range weapons hunts (which is funny since part of the justification for the rule change is because modern muzlleloaders can supposedly shoot such long distances).

sabotloader

Pglasgow

Nope the inlines are only ok during general season and short range season...

What I really find interesting is the line that says....In recent years, the number of special muzzleloader hunts and the number of participants have declined.

If this is a fact what is the problem - the harvest level should already be reducing itself....

Roskoe

That sounds more like it. I was having a hard time believing that politicians and bureaucrats in Idaho could somehow be more fair and reasonable than they are here in the columbine state.

cayugad

that's one of them ... hope you did not notice lines.

SHills

Sounds like the proposal is not unreasonable.
I just happen to hunt w/ a inline during regular gun season which is shotgun only in areas except the mountains. That is almost the same deal. I only have one shot but better range and more hassle than a shotgunner.
I also think ML's are a more professional kinda of hunt than those who boom boom boom boom. When you see a ML you know that person is a serious person 99% of the time w/ more skill.... which = a safer person.
It would not hurt my feeling to see NY go to trad ML in the late season which is onlyML/archery. It does seem a little unfair for the archerand quite frankly it would be nice to do the side hammer or flint only. Since it is a short one wk hunt it not that a big deal and will keep those flint companies in business and keep the tradition alive.
SHills

Pglasgow

I don't know what the red letters mean, but if I were an Idaho resident, I would expect that the number of special muzzleloader hunts will increase. New areas open maybe? Something along those lines. If they don't increase hunting opportunity, then its just wind.