Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
09-23-2006, 12:38 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
As per Randy Wakeman, those yellow sabots being used to dress those Knight and Barnes Polymer-tip bullets were designed specifically for that bullet. Use of any other sabot may result in subpar performance/accuracy. In this specific case, the sabot was molded to fit the exact dimensions of the boat-tail.
We are entering a new arena with this news. There will obviously come a day when most-all bullet manufacturers will want their plastic sabots custom-tailored for their own bullet. Swapping sabot brands/modelsto achieve tighter loading or looser loading is now in Round One of being threatened with a slow fade-away.
We have already begun to see this with ML manufacturers offering their own bullets. So if you wonder why your Powerbelt doesn't work superbly in a T/C -- or your Hornady SST wont get down that Autin-Halleck bore without a sweat & several grunts, wellwe are embarking on an ageto finding best accuracy with our new MLsusng both the same manufacturer ML - with the same manufacturer bullet offering on store shelves.
Sometimes, those "custom' bullets may be found inside the new ML box - with a recommendation attached.
Just some words to pass along.
No need for replies -- I'll bump-up this thread for about a week.[:-]
We are entering a new arena with this news. There will obviously come a day when most-all bullet manufacturers will want their plastic sabots custom-tailored for their own bullet. Swapping sabot brands/modelsto achieve tighter loading or looser loading is now in Round One of being threatened with a slow fade-away.
We have already begun to see this with ML manufacturers offering their own bullets. So if you wonder why your Powerbelt doesn't work superbly in a T/C -- or your Hornady SST wont get down that Autin-Halleck bore without a sweat & several grunts, wellwe are embarking on an ageto finding best accuracy with our new MLsusng both the same manufacturer ML - with the same manufacturer bullet offering on store shelves.
Sometimes, those "custom' bullets may be found inside the new ML box - with a recommendation attached.
Just some words to pass along.
No need for replies -- I'll bump-up this thread for about a week.[:-]
09-23-2006, 04:09 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
Poster dvdegeorge on another forum stated the Barnes TMZ 250 was brutal to get down the Omega with those yellow jobbies. He stated having a noticeably easier time loading the Hornady SST & we all know the SST is harder-loading than it's sister T/C Shockwave.
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09-23-2006, 05:43 PM
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en
As per Randy Wakeman, those yellow sabots being used to dress those Knight and Barnes Polymer-tip bullets were designed specifically for that bullet. Use of any other sabot may result in subpar performance/accuracy. In this specific case, the sabot was molded to fit the exact dimensions of the boat-tail.
We are entering a new arena with this news. There will obviously come a day when most-all bullet manufacturers will want their plastic sabots custom-tailored for their own bullet. Swapping sabot brands/modelsto achieve tighter loading or looser loading is now in Round One of being threatened with a slow fade-away.
We have already begun to see this with ML manufacturers offering their own bullets. So if you wonder why your Powerbelt doesn't work superbly in a T/C -- or your Hornady SST wont get down that Autin-Halleck bore without a sweat & several grunts, wellwe are embarking on an ageto finding best accuracy with our new MLsusng both the same manufacturer ML - with the same manufacturer bullet offering on store shelves.
Sometimes, those "custom' bullets may be found inside the new ML box - with a recommendation attached.
Just some words to pass along.
No need for replies -- I'll bump-up this thread for about a week.[:-]
As per Randy Wakeman, those yellow sabots being used to dress those Knight and Barnes Polymer-tip bullets were designed specifically for that bullet. Use of any other sabot may result in subpar performance/accuracy. In this specific case, the sabot was molded to fit the exact dimensions of the boat-tail.
We are entering a new arena with this news. There will obviously come a day when most-all bullet manufacturers will want their plastic sabots custom-tailored for their own bullet. Swapping sabot brands/modelsto achieve tighter loading or looser loading is now in Round One of being threatened with a slow fade-away.
We have already begun to see this with ML manufacturers offering their own bullets. So if you wonder why your Powerbelt doesn't work superbly in a T/C -- or your Hornady SST wont get down that Autin-Halleck bore without a sweat & several grunts, wellwe are embarking on an ageto finding best accuracy with our new MLsusng both the same manufacturer ML - with the same manufacturer bullet offering on store shelves.
Sometimes, those "custom' bullets may be found inside the new ML box - with a recommendation attached.
Just some words to pass along.
No need for replies -- I'll bump-up this thread for about a week.[:-]
As to the rest, You can blame the gun makers specifically. They can't seem to come up with a common bore diameter for every caliber. Some manufacturers bore diameters even vary widely from gun to gun.How are bullet makers supposed to know what diameter to make the bullet/sabot combos? They can't make a combo for every different borediameter. You'd see 3 or 4 different bore diameter versions for every bullet.
09-24-2006, 04:26 PM
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
I had trouble with the yellow sabots with the TMZs also. I tried HPH 24s and couldn't get any accuracy so just for the heck of it I tried a MMP sub base under a HPH 24 and they shot very well , 5/8 inch 50 yd group. I don't know why this worked, but it did. I used 120 grs of loose 777 and a Win 777 primer behind a 250 gr TMZ. I shoot an Omega. If anyone else tries this I would be interested in there results.
09-24-2006, 05:17 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
ORIGINAL: mayguy
I had trouble with the yellow sabots with the TMZs also. I tried HPH 24s and couldn't get any accuracy so just for the heck of it I tried a MMP sub base under a HPH 24 and they shot very well , 5/8 inch 50 yd group. I don't know why this worked, but it did. I used 120 grs of loose 777 and a Win 777 primer behind a 250 gr TMZ. I shoot an Omega. If anyone else tries this I would be interested in there results.
I had trouble with the yellow sabots with the TMZs also. I tried HPH 24s and couldn't get any accuracy so just for the heck of it I tried a MMP sub base under a HPH 24 and they shot very well , 5/8 inch 50 yd group. I don't know why this worked, but it did. I used 120 grs of loose 777 and a Win 777 primer behind a 250 gr TMZ. I shoot an Omega. If anyone else tries this I would be interested in there results.
There are ways to get around everything - I guess!
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09-25-2006, 11:52 AM
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
ORIGINAL: cayugad
The new barnes spitfire 285 grain sabots I bought have those sabots you mention. And they are a real bear to load.
The new barnes spitfire 285 grain sabots I bought have those sabots you mention. And they are a real bear to load.
09-25-2006, 03:26 PM
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
AS long as you have flat based bullets you will be able to get separate sabots to "customize" them to your gun. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a thinner/thicker petaled "yellow" sabot is being made or at least thought about...
09-25-2006, 07:53 PM
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
ORIGINAL: Flatland Hunter
AS long as you have flat based bullets you will be able to get separate sabots to "customize" them to your gun. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a thinner/thicker petaled "yellow" sabot is being made or at least thought about...
AS long as you have flat based bullets you will be able to get separate sabots to "customize" them to your gun. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a thinner/thicker petaled "yellow" sabot is being made or at least thought about...
Folks aremoaning & groaning loadingtheBarnes yellow sabot
The same folks find it refreshingly easyto loadthe T/C yellow Superglide sabots.
These yellow jackets are not new to MLingFor the lastthree years, I have seen Buffalobullets wearing a yellow sabot. So allow me to throw a monkey wrench into this double-sided equation by stating I think the Buffalo yellow jackets load about perfectly... snug - but without any shake-rattle or rolling.
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09-25-2006, 09:22 PM
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RE: Custom Sabotry Has Arrived
ORIGINAL: Triple Se7en
I think MMP already makes both spectrums in yellow.... either that - or the diameters of the Barnes TMZ bullet is beyond .452 and the T/C Shockwave that's dressed by the Superglide sabot must be under .451
Folks aremoaning & groaning loadingtheBarnes yellow sabot
The same folks find it refreshingly easyto loadthe T/C yellow Superglide sabots.
These yellow jackets are not new to MLingFor the lastthree years, I have seen Buffalobullets wearing a yellow sabot. So allow me to throw a monkey wrench into this double-sided equation by stating I think the Buffalo yellow jackets load about perfectly... snug - but without any shake-rattle or rolling.
Keep Your Powder Dry Folks
. . . . . . . Joe [/i]
ORIGINAL: Flatland Hunter
AS long as you have flat based bullets you will be able to get separate sabots to "customize" them to your gun. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a thinner/thicker petaled "yellow" sabot is being made or at least thought about...
AS long as you have flat based bullets you will be able to get separate sabots to "customize" them to your gun. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if a thinner/thicker petaled "yellow" sabot is being made or at least thought about...
Folks aremoaning & groaning loadingtheBarnes yellow sabot
The same folks find it refreshingly easyto loadthe T/C yellow Superglide sabots.
These yellow jackets are not new to MLingFor the lastthree years, I have seen Buffalobullets wearing a yellow sabot. So allow me to throw a monkey wrench into this double-sided equation by stating I think the Buffalo yellow jackets load about perfectly... snug - but without any shake-rattle or rolling.
Keep Your Powder Dry Folks
. . . . . . . Joe [/i]
