Very big hog!!!
03-02-2006, 12:22 PM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: Very big hog!!!
03-02-2006, 12:27 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Very big hog!!!
cur_dog
Lead copper bullets tend to obturate in the sabot, asmall amount - especially thinner copper clad pistol bullets)as the charge is ignited. This action helps to insure that the bullet does not slip in the sabot and does add a bit of benefit in that the sabot will pushed up against the lands and groovesto aid in rotation. If you purchase Barnes bullet/sabots you will know what I mean at they fit the bore really tight to begin with, insuring that there is neither slippage in the sabot or slippage of the sabot across the lands and grooves.
I a recent discussion with Del Ramsey where I expressed aconcerned about loose fitting sabots - he enlightened me to this concept. He was less concerned about the sabot slipping by the riflings as his concern about the bullet slipping in the sabotfailing to get to rotaion speed for stabilization. The all copper bullets do not obturate and therefor could slip in a loose sabot.
Lead copper bullets tend to obturate in the sabot, asmall amount - especially thinner copper clad pistol bullets)as the charge is ignited. This action helps to insure that the bullet does not slip in the sabot and does add a bit of benefit in that the sabot will pushed up against the lands and groovesto aid in rotation. If you purchase Barnes bullet/sabots you will know what I mean at they fit the bore really tight to begin with, insuring that there is neither slippage in the sabot or slippage of the sabot across the lands and grooves.
I a recent discussion with Del Ramsey where I expressed aconcerned about loose fitting sabots - he enlightened me to this concept. He was less concerned about the sabot slipping by the riflings as his concern about the bullet slipping in the sabotfailing to get to rotaion speed for stabilization. The all copper bullets do not obturate and therefor could slip in a loose sabot.
03-02-2006, 12:28 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Very big hog!!!
Your right Rebel about hogzilla. Here is the link. It was still 800 pounds!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0322_050322_hogzilla.html
Link for the florida hog
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bighog.asp
still a big hog!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0322_050322_hogzilla.html
Link for the florida hog
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bighog.asp
still a big hog!
03-02-2006, 12:34 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Very big hog!!!
sabotloader
That's the word I was looking for " obturate ", Thanks.
So, it seems to be a non issue then? If Del says it so then I will go with that.
Still think I like the partition and a-frames the best! Still going to shoot the expanders and see how they do.
That's the word I was looking for " obturate ", Thanks.
So, it seems to be a non issue then? If Del says it so then I will go with that.
Still think I like the partition and a-frames the best! Still going to shoot the expanders and see how they do.
03-02-2006, 12:41 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Very big hog!!!
cur_dog
Del's only concern was that it would be possible that an all copper bullet to slip inside a loose fitting sabot and if it soes it may not reach the rotation speed that might be required to stablilize the bulllet down range.
PS if you are "old school" that must mean I came off the "Arch with the rest of the animals"
mike
Del's only concern was that it would be possible that an all copper bullet to slip inside a loose fitting sabot and if it soes it may not reach the rotation speed that might be required to stablilize the bulllet down range.
PS if you are "old school" that must mean I came off the "Arch with the rest of the animals"
mike
03-02-2006, 12:43 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Very big hog!!!
That's what i was thinking. If a person buys the XPB Barnes san the sabot they have the ribs on the side. Would have to help grab the sabot. I know there is a word for the ribs on the side of the bullet too. In fact, I was going to order the XPB in 250 grain for that very reason.
03-02-2006, 01:00 PM
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RE: Very big hog!!!
cur_dog
I think you are talking about the cannelure groove (crimp ring)around the bullet. But if the bullet fits tightly enough in the sabot this cannelureing would not be necessary, but with a really tight sabot the plastic might forced into the ring helping stick the sabot to the bullet.
I think you are talking about the cannelure groove (crimp ring)around the bullet. But if the bullet fits tightly enough in the sabot this cannelureing would not be necessary, but with a really tight sabot the plastic might forced into the ring helping stick the sabot to the bullet.
