Hikchick

Hillbilly,
Thank you for sticking up for me. I appreciate that you did that.

Silent,
As far as me convincing you.... Well, if you don't have enough of an open mind to look at both sides then there never can be any convincing. So until you open your ears and look at the other side of the fence, instead of what you'd rather hang on your wall, well...... it's not gonna happen.

As for the others who feel that it is necessary to attack me personally because of a name that I have chosen for myself, get a life. If that's all you can come up with then you just came to an intelligence war unarmed. As for hunting circles around you, I wouldn't mind trying. I can tell you this, if I don't have a problem spending the money to go out of state (and I guarantee that the money brought into our family is less than most of the people on this board) then why do you have a problem with it??? It's not about keeping everything to ourselves. There are plenty of states where NR's can't even get a tag in most areas. Yet, you want the people who live there to take a back seat to you??? That's where the greed sets in. Don't give me the line about your "government $" paying for our upkeep. That doesn't hold water. I'm not going to take the money that we work so hard to make and send it to you because you think that it should be "equal". There are some things that should stay where the effort is made to get them, this is one of those issues.

SpyroAndes

This one statement shows how absolutely blinded you are by the side of the argument that you are one...

Taulman is the Devil because he would lease up half of Kansas?

Why aren't the Kansas Landowners, who would lease their land to Taulman, the devil?

You people act as if Taulman is Don Corleone from the Godfather and threatening these landowner's lives. Anybody that leases land to an outfitter is making a decision of their own free will.

Frankly, this reeks of the guy that catches his wife cheating and the only reaction that he has is to attack the person with whom she was cheating. She isn't innocent and he didn't make her cheat.

If Taulman leases all of Kansas, it is the landowners fault.

SA

pleazedtomeatya

I also received the Taulman letter the other day and I'm still undecided about the whole deal. Both sides make very good points and argue them well.

My question is: Wasn't there a time not too long ago where in a state like AZ, the residents and nr's were all in one pool for the draw? Was this ever the case in other western states? If all hunters were equal at one time just what changed? Was it pressure from locals on their own game and fish depts. to weed the nr's out?

I've resided in Texas, Wash., and New Mexico , and moved back east where my kids and wife are from. Now that I've got more time to travel and hunt again it's probably time to get involved with the issue.

Howler

You're right Spyro, to heck with the day of asking permission to hunt and and giving some respect to the land owner, plus a turkey, or some jerky from the kill. SO, what you are saying is, he who has the most money can hunt where they want when they want. The heck with being able to go out and knock on doors and simply be welcomed to hunt. If you can't afford it, tough!! The heck with being neighborly, or friendly!! From what you are saying, land owners would be stupid not to lease, more money in thier pockets!! And after all, life is all about have more money isn't it[:'(]
Again, it's all about the money. USO IS NOT interested in helping all hunters...........END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RandyA

I showed my displeasure for George Taulman with my pocket book. If you disagree with what he is doing, don't support anyone that supports him. I canceled the outdoor channel because of George, and returned merchandise to others. The only reason Jackie Bushman still supports him is because George is doing his dirty work. And jackie has lots to gain from this, more hunts, more money!

SpyroAndes

Actually, that is NOT what I am saying. In fact, the majority of the hunting that I do in California is done on private land with payment being nothing more than 50lbs of sausage & shooting predators during the calfing season.

Wow talk about completely missing my point. Because I never said half of the stuff you are claiming.

Let me try again...

If Taulman is evil because he might want to lease all the land, are not the landowners that lease to him evil as well?

If the landowner leases his hunting rights to Taulman, the landowner is the one that is selling you out. The landowner is the one that is not being neighborly. The landowner is the one that no longer is willing to take jerky or some sausage in exchange for allowing you to hunt.

If the landowners care about the community traditions and heritage, they won't sell you out. If the landowner cares more about $$$ than the community, he'll lease the hunting rights to his property.

I have been labeled a liberal and a socialist by many of this board but it is funny that all of these conservatives and capitalists are so afraid of Taulman making money and expanding his business.

Look, I could not give a flying bull turd about Taulman or the financial direction of his companies. If Taulman makes money, I don't care. If Taulman goes broke, I don't care.

What I do care about is states discriminating against nonresidents...

gleninAZ

Well Spyro-You better get ahold of George and send him some more money 'cause the AZ senate voted 20 to 9 today to approve the new caps and send the bill to the house for approval. The states have the right to set fees and that is what is going to happen. I personally think the resident increases were too high. More than NR increases for some animals. Guess we will all see if Taulman sues again.

SpyroAndes

Why would I give Taulman a dime?

You do know that the State of Arizona did pay Taulman's (Griz Montoya) legal fees, right?

Why do you think that they released an additional 800 elk tags last year?

800 x $380 = ~$300,000

$300,000 just happens to be right about what they had to pay in legal fees.

Frankly, why would Taulman sue in this situation?

gleninAZ

Spyro-Now you don't care that NR fees will get jacked up? That's what you been whining about is equal fees and draw odds. And I assumed Taulman will sue since his attorney fired off a letter to our state threatening to sue us if we raised fees. You are probably right about the additional tags to pay legal fees as we did have to do that. I am hoping he sues us or another state again now that awareness is high so we can countersue and make him pay the state's legal fees.

Howler

How can I blame the landowner, I'd be willing to bet that they didn't call USO and ask them to come lease thier land, USO offered them something first, wouldn't ya guess. That's like dangling a bone on a rope infront of a dog, of course he's going to grab it, but would ya blame the dog for doing so?
In the N.E. corner of KS., there was a bunch of land that the STATE leased for thier "Walk in hunitng" program. What an outfiter did back there was go to each land owner that had land leased for the "walk in program" and offered twice what the state was able to. The land went from free access to the public to NO access to the public. An outfitter is an outfitter. They are NOT good for the general hunting public, in any shape or form.
Like I said, Taulman is not looking to help ALL hunters, only his future clients. He is not only looking to get them equal access to Federal lands!