Rebel Hog

AMEN....Brother!!

Elkcrazy8

Here we go with the money thing again. It is not all about money. I will back your comments 100% when I see you planting bushes on the winter range, volunteering for radio collaring projects to track mortality rates, cleaning up miles of forest service trails, spending time at game check stations, shoveling hay to starving elk that was bought by local RMEF chapters. Federal dollars manage forests. The only federal dollars being spent on wildlife here in my state right now is killing off elk populations. You can have the wolves back, We don't want them. We are all too familiar with politics these days. The thing that I can tell you is that the herds are what they are because people volunteered their time to give back to animals. Are you a member of an anti wolf coalition? If not I would be joining one because they are effecting YOUR animals more than any non-resident rule. But you probably already knew that since it is on OUR property.

manboy

if i have my #'s right, the last 2 years there has been leftover tags for deer in 8 out of 13 regions in the state of wy. for 2004 there was 4299 leftover tags for deer in wy. so if u wanted a tag u can get one!
and as far as elk tags the area i hunt for elk, in 2003 for resident it was 19.02% chance of draw, while a non-resident on the special draw had a 20.00% chance! i don't like the fact i pay taxes to this state and i have a lower chance of drawing an elk tag than nonresidents do for the same area!!
AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME IOWA HAD LEFTOVER NON-RESIDENTDEER TAGS?
AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WASHINGTON HAD NON-RESIDENT BIGHORN SHEEP TAGS?
UNTILL THEN QUIT CRYING ABOUT WYOMING USING IT'S RESOURCES!
RIGHT ON RANDYA!!!!

RandyA

elkcrazy, pretty much correct on that one, very little federal money spent here on game. Wolves and grizzly bears is where most of it is spent. The rest of game management in Wy comes from the WY G&F dept. not the state or feds. And where does Wy get thier money? From license sales. A burn or habitat enhancement on federal land, paid for by the WG&F, RMEF, Sportsmans groups, not the feds!

The game belongs to the state! It has nothing to do with federal land. What makes you think that an elk on federal land today is on it tomorrow? Any clue? About the only game animals in Wy that stay on federal land most of the time would be antelope and mountain goats. The majority of the rest come and go.

If game on federal land is to be shared equally with eveyone, then every endeavor, on federal land in "EVERY state" needs to be the same. Then why have states, just one federal entity, No individual rights or priveleges. Just what ever uncle sam wants to let you have and do. You can not just single out hunting, if it's federal it's all or nothing.

RedAllison

I am not picking on Wyoming. I GREATLY enjoyed a muley/lope hunt there last October in an area that is basically a guaranteed draw (in the Buffalo, WY area). I am talking about ALL states be them western or wherever keep on trying to put caps or even abolish non-resident tags yet still gladly take available Federal monies for various projects. For years the same thing went on in Kansas, the locals fought out of state interests from coming in and partaking in their obvious bounty. FINALLY someone realized that by using Federal monies while still preventing non-residents from coming in amounted to taxation without representation. And look at the price of land leases in KS, farmers/land owners now have a new profit center and reason to manage their land for quality game habitat. I'm not saying money is the answer too everything, but under certain circumstances it certainly is a plus. And with respects to non-residents hunting sheep, the vast majority of sheep programs are funded by Federal monies and the limited sale of tags at astonishing figures. The states play a very limited role in sheep management. I have NEVER heard of a sheep hunter that saw gamewardens up around 10k-12k feet!

Manboy would you please put up your numbers in terms of actual license apps/sales, not simple percentages? Thats flawed mathematics and typical of people with a political agenda that isnt going their way. (Its akin too Democrats in Washington when they cut 5% from nextyears spending increases that were slated for a 10% increase and then turn around and pat themselves on the back and clamour on about how they cut the budget! Nevermind the fact that they are still gonna spend 5% more than lastyear on their pet projects.) If it is decided that X number of animals need to be removed annually and Y number of applicants represents residents and Z number represents non-residents than it only makes sense that Y is a far greater number of people than Z. Yet you simply put up percentages that while similar in stated value, the net totals are FAR from equal or even similar. I bet Y is 10x or greater than Z.

I know its a hot topic and causes devisiveness in the hunting ranks. Here in TN we have deer out the ying-yang and few people who want to come in and hunt them, so who cares how many license's are sold too out of staters? Out there in the Rockies you only have so many elk and EVERYONE wants a crack at em, same for the giant whitetail states in the cornbelt.

But thats the way the mop flops,
RA

ps
I have heard it twice now about how animals on Federal Lands are NOT Federal property. Shoot an elk on Yellowstone and see if you are only brought up on local charges or if you are dealt with through the Federal system!!! BTW Yellowstone is one of the BIGGEST economic boons to the state of Wyoming. By somes flawed logic about wanting to shut everything down except too locals, what would happen to the economy of NW Wyoming if for some reason suddenly the gates of Yellowstone were SLAMMED SHUT??? And who funds the park? I seriously doubt its the taxpayers of Cody, WY.

Buckshot

I have no problem with quatos, what I do have a problem is how dang expensive non resident tags are, gheez how about knocking those tag prices down so it doesnt cost an arm and leg.

RandyA

RED,I am not sure where the sheep topic came in???? But sheep migrate from federal land to private land in most of the sheep range in Wyoming every winter. If there is a winter. The issue to me isn't about nonresidents getting tags or nonresident prices. Wyoming gives 20% of all tags to nonresident draws, with sheep being the exception at 25%. I was saying the majority, that being 51% or more, of antelope and moutain goats, spend most or all of the year on federal land. Deer, elk, moose, sheep, lion, come and go. From private, state, county, and federal, both BLM and Forest.

If you kill any animal in Yellowstone, or even take a gun in, you are violating federal law. But you are sentenced in state courts not federal court. Wildlife in every National Park, not national forest, is strongly protected. The parks still relinquish that the wildlfie belongs to the state in which it resides.

You can go on and on about wildlife on federal land belonging to everyone, all I will say is, to bad, it doesn't and won't! Get over it!

I don't have a problem with raising resident prices either. I would gladly pay $200 for an elk or $1000 for a sheep, goat, or moose!

glob3006

I might also add that here in Colorado the Div. of Wildlife DOE'S NOT RECEIVE ANY FEDERAL MONEY to manage wildlife or aquire hunting lands!!!!!! AND....... The Federal gov. doe's not help in the management of such!!! So in effect the federal gov. is saying and has stated that the states are the sole propieter of the game that is within their bounderies. Not a private land owner and not the Federal Gov. But the states. So who should be sending who checks????? Unless you pay for a tag in Colorado....... You haven't paid for !@#$%. If this all opens up I surely think I will be in Iowa hunting whitetails on my newly aquired non-resident tag!!!!!!!! I would also add that I do think that non-resident tags ARE TOO EXPENSIVE no matter what state it is and that I would have a problem paying $200.00 for a resident elk tag..........A BIG PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!
The basic principle in hunting is to provide...........NOT..... To see how much money one can spend to kill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS REALLY GETS MY !@#$%^&
Bill

RandyA

You are paying for a privelege, not a god given right! Some pay to golf , some pay to bowl, some pay to fish! I will pay to hunt.

gleninAZ

Her we go with the Red/Rebel flatlanders whining about the socialist crap of everyone owning the game regardless of who grew the herds and worked their butts off keeping them up. PR funds money back to states based on a formula and most of it is generated by resident sporting good purchases. Can't wait until legislation passes to clearly give the states the right to control hunting. The whining will be just like Michael Moore after the last election. The bills will pass as republicans are for state's rights and the dems are shocked that USO claims to have commerce clause rights to sell beautiful animal parts. LMAO.