SpyroAndes

Do you not believe that is is a little ironic?

You are calling nonresidents pushing for equal treatment socialists?

If there is anybody that is a SOCIALIST in this situation, it is the residents of these states that believe that they should be able to hunt/fish, on somebody elses dollar, because they are citizens of that state.

Frankly, tossing terms around like communist and socialist when it comes to this situation is foolish. There is no shock factor and it is a stretch.

This is about the greed of the residents of Rocky Mt States and the greed of those States.

RandyA

No you are tying to strip residents of any rights. You want any rights the states have and give it to the federal government. That is socialism! One BIG state instead of 50.

You are saying, we have no rights to anything in Wyoming. I am sure there are federal programs in Kalifornia that we don't have in Wyoming, then give them to us. What privelege is there then to live in any given state? All states treated the same, all one collective, no hunter left behind!

I guess it is ok for you to fantasize, but it won't happen here.

One thing that almost made it 5 years ago was all federal lands, not national parks, were going to be deaded over to the prospective states in which they lay. To bad it didn't fly. Even slick willy was for it. Stronger states rights!

gleninAZ

Randy-we have little to worry about. The 9th circuit is notorious for being overturned. This Taulman deal is supported by the rich boys and quite a few outfitters and landowners who see the dollar ring. It is now in the realm of serious politics and all the whining and hoping in the world will not prevail over the state's right to manage wildlife. There is no incentive to the feds to take over that responsibility. Arizona has a weak AG and our G&F are good people but they are also beurocrats who watch the politics and don't stick their necks out much. Now that hunters across the country are active we can get back to controlling the herds and still allow NR tags and maybe even at a better %. I have nothing against NR hunters. The costs are going up though and that is bad for all of us.

Slamfire

Socialism is taking something some people have, and giving it to others, who were not entitlled to it. It doesn't matter if it is money, or game animals, or anythng else.

jones123

Ok, I read up on Taulman and I read both bills, worded almost identically. I don't like what Taulman is about, and he is using scare tactics. He says "states could lock you NR's out". Guess what? They already can. They're not doing it because they don't want to and it wouldn't make business sense. These bills change nothing. Very much like the well intentioned but empty Montana bill last November that reaffirmed opportunity to hunt.

Reid, Udall, and Baucus do not care about states rights! They do empty bills like this to make it look to their constituents that they are not federalists. I don't know much about the other names on these bills, but Taulman is a lesser evil than these three!

These are do nothing, feel good, "reaffriming" bills that waste congress's time and I'm not supporting them. That does not mean I like Taulman's ideals. It means I'm going to focus on what scope to buy for this coming season.

PLB

SpyroAndes,

I am not going to spend the time to read every post in here so if someone has already set you straight then I offer my appologies.

You like to use the proposed 2005 Non-Res fees (Arizona)but like to use the 2004 Res fees (Arizona)in your little Non-res/Resident comparisons.

To be fair i.e. compare apples to apples, don't you think you should also include the proposed 2005 Resident (Arizona) fees for your little equasions......

Resident Kiabab deer tags = $150.00. Premium bull elk (rut) tags for Residents will be $350.00. Late bull hunts for Residents will be $150.00.

Thats all for now, I have spring Turkey scouting to do.

Before I forget, SpyroAndes, you can apply for a great Trophy Bull Elk hunt on the Apache Reservation for a measly $30,000.00 this year. Now if you were a member of the tribe, you could get that tag for about $77.00.

SpyroAndes

States already lock out nonresidents...

Again several specie and numerous hunts are for "RESIDENTS ONLY".

So besides fee discrimination and tag allocation discrimination, we also have specie and hunt discrimination.

SpyroAndes

Too bad we are considered to essentially nonresident aliens on the res.

They are not the State of White Apache or the State of San Carlos.

They are the Navajo NATION...

The San Carlos Apache NATION...

Etc...

RedAllison

Here here Spyro!!! The various nations of Indians (screw the Native American moniker, I gottanuff Cherokee in me to care less what the do gooders want to call em) are free and clear to "rape whiteys billfold" and God bless em. IMHO I hope they ALL keep up their high fees for hunting on reservations. Can you imagine what would happen to the incredible herds at San Carlos or White Mtn if they threw open the doors, let in every redneck with a bugle call and sold em a tag otc? The places would look like Colorado by spring!!!

Sounds too me like some of you guys in the western states are just acting like spoiled children. $30-$40 for a tag? Sheesh thats hardly worth the commissions time. Here in TN I buy an all inclusive (species, weapon, state permits etc) license called a "Sportsmans License" that just had a 30% increase and now will run nearly $140 a year. Thats just to shoot deer, turkey, small game and to fish with in my own state! You guys wanna complain about paying less than a couple hundred bucks to kill animals that us easterners would pay THOU$AND$ for?

You tell me... the annual number of animals that need to be removed is known. Why would the game depts NOT want more of them going to NRs when they will be getting up to 10x more money in license fees for those animals removal? Sound like common economic sense too me fellows!
RA

Nemont

And there you have it. The NR are all complaining about the "greed" of the resident hunters but fail to realize the reason tags are high priced and LE tags are limited is because of what is quoted above. There are thousands of guys willing to pay thousands of dollars and could care less if the push every resident out of the way to be able to hunt. I sure hope Harry Reid gets his bill pushed through soon so that we can preserve our hunting traditions out west.

So we should just allow you to hunt whenever and where ever you want because you have money. The reason game depts. don't throw the door open to every NR resident is because they have to answer to their employers, who are the local resident hunters who vote and reside in their respective states. I have a friend who is a game warden here in town. I asked him who he works for, he said the State of Montana. Like it or not that is the current system.


So you even have a clue what our sportsman's license costs and they are raising the fees next year. It is $106. Is that ten times what you pay in your home state. Montana ranks around 48th or 49th in per capita income if you think all the residents are selfish and have a sweet deal on hunting then move here and enjoy it with the rest of us if not then be prepared to pay the price. Quit sniveling

Nemont