wolf introduction
01-05-2005, 02:43 PM
#11
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 674
RE: wolf introduction
Yes me too where does a guy get info to join or at least let me no where to send money .
Keep sending the word the more of the info you guys in the field get out there the better. Iam going to start hounding the RMEF see if they will at least take a look at this you guys should start doing the same in your area. SSS
Keep sending the word the more of the info you guys in the field get out there the better. Iam going to start hounding the RMEF see if they will at least take a look at this you guys should start doing the same in your area. SSS
01-05-2005, 07:42 PM
#13
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: N.W. Wyoming
Posts: 57
RE: wolf introduction
You will not get any help from the RMEF. They are pretty much pro wolf even though the introduction and propagation of the Canadian Grey wolf contradicts thier mission statement. I wrote them two letters, one to the editor section of Bugle, they printed it and simply stated that they feel the wolf is a viable part of any ecosystem. That was in on of last years issues. The letter sent directly to them had a similar response and a pretty much pro stance.
I am no longer a member after that!
I am no longer a member after that!
04-02-2005, 12:49 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Arlington Wa. USA
Posts: 1,386
RE: wolf introduction
Casper Star Tribune..... Today
Jackson, Wyoming - Saturday, April 02, 2005
Feds kill five wolves
By CAT URBIGKIT
Star-Tribune correspondent Saturday, April 02, 2005
PINEDALE -- Federal wildlife officials killed five wolves in Sublette County earlier this week in response to chronic livestock depredations.
Mike Jimenez of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said the wolves were members of the Daniel wolf pack, which has been implicated in the killing of at least 21 head of livestock in the last few years. Five members of the pack were killed last year as well, and federal officials do not know how many members of the pack are still roaming.
One night last week, the wolf pack entered a Daniel-area ranch pasture where pregnant cows were located, bringing two of the animals down. One of the cows was alive but severely wounded when found early the next morning and was destroyed by the ranch owners. Both of the cows were due to give birth, as calving in the herd had already begun, doubling the losses for the ranch.
The wolves then moved to another ranch, killing a yearling cow there.
Federal wildlife officials investigated and determined that wolves were responsible for the cattle deaths, all of which occurred in private lands, Jimenez said. The Fish and Wildlife Service granted authority for the entire pack to be eliminated.
Jimenez said that on Monday, a USDA Wildlife Services crew flew the area of the last confirmed kill, spotted a pack of five wolves and was able to shoot and kill all five.
Although the Daniel pack has been in the news recently because of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department's concerns with the pack harassing elk on elk feedgrounds, control actions were undertaken based solely on the pack's livestock depredations, Jimenez said.
Rancher Stella Taylor said she and other local ranchers believe there are more wolves in the area.
"They are hanging in here," Taylor said. "There could still be more in here."
Bar W Bar Ranch Manager Merrill Dana agreed: "They only got about a third of them. We all know there are more than five wolves in the Daniel pack."
Dana said last week was the third occasion in which elk from a nearby feedground arrived on the ranch with a pack of wolves in tow.
"Every time the elk leave the feedground and come down here -- every time -- the next night, you're going to get the wolves in on you," Dana said.
Wyoming Game and Fish Department elk feedground manager Gary Hornberger said, "That particular pack was working the (nearby) Jewett elk feedground pretty hard in late February and March."
The wolves would harass the elk so much that all 678 head of elk repeatedly fled the feedground, Hornberger said.
"They were hitting them nightly," Hornberger said.
If the elk fled to the north, there wasn't much problem, according to Hornberger. But if the elk ran to the south, they ran to the private lands of Bar W Bar, increasing the possibility of elk transmitting brucellosis to cattle, in addition to bringing a pack of wolves to the cattle herd.
Aggressive action by the ranch kept the cattle and elk separated, and Hornberger added that the Game and Fish Department pushed the elk back to the feedground on several occasions.
Wolves have made their presence known on at least five other elk feedgrounds in Sublette County this winter as well, he said.
Jackson, Wyoming - Saturday, April 02, 2005
Feds kill five wolves
By CAT URBIGKIT
Star-Tribune correspondent Saturday, April 02, 2005
PINEDALE -- Federal wildlife officials killed five wolves in Sublette County earlier this week in response to chronic livestock depredations.
Mike Jimenez of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said the wolves were members of the Daniel wolf pack, which has been implicated in the killing of at least 21 head of livestock in the last few years. Five members of the pack were killed last year as well, and federal officials do not know how many members of the pack are still roaming.
One night last week, the wolf pack entered a Daniel-area ranch pasture where pregnant cows were located, bringing two of the animals down. One of the cows was alive but severely wounded when found early the next morning and was destroyed by the ranch owners. Both of the cows were due to give birth, as calving in the herd had already begun, doubling the losses for the ranch.
The wolves then moved to another ranch, killing a yearling cow there.
Federal wildlife officials investigated and determined that wolves were responsible for the cattle deaths, all of which occurred in private lands, Jimenez said. The Fish and Wildlife Service granted authority for the entire pack to be eliminated.
Jimenez said that on Monday, a USDA Wildlife Services crew flew the area of the last confirmed kill, spotted a pack of five wolves and was able to shoot and kill all five.
Although the Daniel pack has been in the news recently because of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department's concerns with the pack harassing elk on elk feedgrounds, control actions were undertaken based solely on the pack's livestock depredations, Jimenez said.
Rancher Stella Taylor said she and other local ranchers believe there are more wolves in the area.
"They are hanging in here," Taylor said. "There could still be more in here."
Bar W Bar Ranch Manager Merrill Dana agreed: "They only got about a third of them. We all know there are more than five wolves in the Daniel pack."
Dana said last week was the third occasion in which elk from a nearby feedground arrived on the ranch with a pack of wolves in tow.
"Every time the elk leave the feedground and come down here -- every time -- the next night, you're going to get the wolves in on you," Dana said.
Wyoming Game and Fish Department elk feedground manager Gary Hornberger said, "That particular pack was working the (nearby) Jewett elk feedground pretty hard in late February and March."
The wolves would harass the elk so much that all 678 head of elk repeatedly fled the feedground, Hornberger said.
"They were hitting them nightly," Hornberger said.
If the elk fled to the north, there wasn't much problem, according to Hornberger. But if the elk ran to the south, they ran to the private lands of Bar W Bar, increasing the possibility of elk transmitting brucellosis to cattle, in addition to bringing a pack of wolves to the cattle herd.
Aggressive action by the ranch kept the cattle and elk separated, and Hornberger added that the Game and Fish Department pushed the elk back to the feedground on several occasions.
Wolves have made their presence known on at least five other elk feedgrounds in Sublette County this winter as well, he said.
04-22-2005, 07:38 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MN USA
Posts: 1,392
RE: wolf introduction
BigGameOutfitter - I can imagine such an experience would make you want to thin down the population. Northern MN has the highest pop. of timber wolves in the lower 48. People up here outside the cities have been saying for decades what many in other states are saying here and other places more recently. The wolf populations need to be thinned out and controlled.
Unfortunately, I can't recommend any techniques to increase the likelihood of your success in thinning them out. It's been a federal law making it illegal to kill or harrass timber wolves in the US because they were listed as "endangered" in the late 60's. Very big fines and prison hang over the heads of anyone who'd dare protect the people or property from them here. Something is seriously out of whack when killing a wolf that threatened you or your animals would get you more trouble than doing most anything else.
They are a very intelligent predator. Very difficult to get near, if we wered allow to hunt them. My now departed uncle Harold who hunted and trapped most of his life told how difficult it was to trap them back when they still could be trapped. Any human scent or things slightly out of the natural around bait would keep them from coming close to a trap. He said many times he'd see their tracks where they walked in big circles around the bait outside the traps, but would not step into one even if it could be seen. But I'm sure there are still a few old guys out there (maybe not on the Internet) who would know how to do it right.
In Canada, this is one thing for sure I'll agree you've got right. We'll only come back to our senses in America with grey wolves when something terrible happens between an over pop of them and people or when the nice city boys'/girls' expensive horses and the like are killed by wolves. Otherwise, they don't give a rip about what happens to people out in the country where people loose livestock, pets and wild game all the time.
Unfortunately, I can't recommend any techniques to increase the likelihood of your success in thinning them out. It's been a federal law making it illegal to kill or harrass timber wolves in the US because they were listed as "endangered" in the late 60's. Very big fines and prison hang over the heads of anyone who'd dare protect the people or property from them here. Something is seriously out of whack when killing a wolf that threatened you or your animals would get you more trouble than doing most anything else.
They are a very intelligent predator. Very difficult to get near, if we wered allow to hunt them. My now departed uncle Harold who hunted and trapped most of his life told how difficult it was to trap them back when they still could be trapped. Any human scent or things slightly out of the natural around bait would keep them from coming close to a trap. He said many times he'd see their tracks where they walked in big circles around the bait outside the traps, but would not step into one even if it could be seen. But I'm sure there are still a few old guys out there (maybe not on the Internet) who would know how to do it right.
In Canada, this is one thing for sure I'll agree you've got right. We'll only come back to our senses in America with grey wolves when something terrible happens between an over pop of them and people or when the nice city boys'/girls' expensive horses and the like are killed by wolves. Otherwise, they don't give a rip about what happens to people out in the country where people loose livestock, pets and wild game all the time.
04-23-2005, 01:03 AM
#17
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Wy
Posts: 9,823
RE: wolf introduction
Dana said last week was the third occasion in which elk from a nearby feedground arrived on the ranch with a pack of wolves in tow.
"Every time the elk leave the feedground and come down here -- every time -- the next night, you're going to get the wolves in on you," Dana said.
"Every time the elk leave the feedground and come down here -- every time -- the next night, you're going to get the wolves in on you," Dana said.
Dam feds& welfare wolfs & bleeding heart liberals breeding programs is more like it.
Dont ranchers get compasation for losses? Who plays back the hunter & other ppl of wyoming for game animals lost?
04-26-2005, 09:09 PM
#18
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location:
Posts: 258
RE: wolf introduction
I'll play devils advocate here and remind everyone that the Elk and Deer were doing pretty well when wolves were here the first time around. The real reason behind the diminishing herds is all the suburbs popping up where we used to hunt.
But the hunter in me says that if we have that many wolves and they cause that many problems then maybe we should have a hunting season on them. A wolves winter pelt is beautifull and I'd love to have one. It would make the coyote pelt look even more mangy than it already is. Sure they're smart but they will respond to calls just like any other predator would.
But the hunter in me says that if we have that many wolves and they cause that many problems then maybe we should have a hunting season on them. A wolves winter pelt is beautifull and I'd love to have one. It would make the coyote pelt look even more mangy than it already is. Sure they're smart but they will respond to calls just like any other predator would.
04-27-2005, 10:10 AM
#19
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,429
RE: wolf introduction
May I make a suggestion,
We should all write evey one of our politicians. We should write the NRA, We should all write the RMEF, We should all write SCI, we should write the North American Hunting Club. If we all write letters and we make enough of a stink maybe our voices will be heard.
We should all write evey one of our politicians. We should write the NRA, We should all write the RMEF, We should all write SCI, we should write the North American Hunting Club. If we all write letters and we make enough of a stink maybe our voices will be heard.
