Why don't hunters like to conserve?
12-18-2003, 12:47 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
A wiser man than me onct said
Cherish what you have , there might not be anymore.
So temps wet down 3 degree because of the slowdown in air traffic?
Some science is all but therory.
I guess that could mean we are holding off ANOTHER ice age then?
( 2 miles of ice on yer house is not conductive of human life)
So beside getting rid of ppl( make them into fish food?) what is your plan to halt populations& so called progress? Live in the past?
You fight for what you have, even if it isnt what it once was or what your nabor has.
12-18-2003, 12:53 PM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
I hope the javelina and yotes keep eatin those new york poodles so the dorks will understand how nature operates in spite of their rhetoric.
12-18-2003, 03:09 PM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
I think that BeaverJack has it right when he mentioned land trusts.
I truly believe that hunters in their individual states need to get together and purchase land. Once a plot is purchased, the organization for example, outdoorsmen of state X, designate that land as a land trust, thereby gaining tax exemption or a tax break (not sure which). That land becomes public use land. you can't stop people from hiking on it, but you should be able to designate it as a hunting area.
I assure you that as I become a bit more financially able, I will attempt that.
beej
I truly believe that hunters in their individual states need to get together and purchase land. Once a plot is purchased, the organization for example, outdoorsmen of state X, designate that land as a land trust, thereby gaining tax exemption or a tax break (not sure which). That land becomes public use land. you can't stop people from hiking on it, but you should be able to designate it as a hunting area.
I assure you that as I become a bit more financially able, I will attempt that.
beej
12-18-2003, 07:38 PM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
1eyed snake (oops, I mean fish),
I only want you to think outside yer box a lil'. Consider the following points:
- We don't even have half the loaf that there was 20 year ago
- Half of nuthin' is still nuthin'
- It is entirely possible thet we won't make it to the next ice age; 3 degrees is a lot in the climatology arena
- Rejection of science on religeous grounds ain't any kind of real argument; you gotta have some science of yer own to be credible
Y'all have a Merry Christmas, and like beej said, there ain't no down side to supporting land trusts, conservation easements, and purchased development rights (unless you're a bull dozer operator).
I only want you to think outside yer box a lil'. Consider the following points:
- We don't even have half the loaf that there was 20 year ago
- Half of nuthin' is still nuthin'
- It is entirely possible thet we won't make it to the next ice age; 3 degrees is a lot in the climatology arena
- Rejection of science on religeous grounds ain't any kind of real argument; you gotta have some science of yer own to be credible
Y'all have a Merry Christmas, and like beej said, there ain't no down side to supporting land trusts, conservation easements, and purchased development rights (unless you're a bull dozer operator).
12-18-2003, 09:45 PM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
Y'all have a Merry Christmas, and like beej said, there ain't no down side to supporting land trusts, conservation easements, and purchased development rights (unless you're a bull dozer operator).
] Are ya claiming those as yer own? Do have any? jsut curious gona buy some?Grounds to dispute science on a relgious bases? lol !!what u talkn about wilis?
20,000 acres use to go pretty cheap around here some places.You could even get a dinosour cabin on the one.
thought yer where selling out& hitting the road like a hippi?
1 eye is betterin non right?
You have a Merry Christmas to bj
Dont take any wooden nickles.
12-19-2003, 03:27 AM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
The other day I got a copy of "Sand County Almanac" by A . Leopold, very much to my liking. Like BJ say's it's not just about hunting. When your looking for game there's a lot of other of natures bounty you see. One of the things I live for is to go out to the hills and enjoy the wilderness. Before it was about killing until there was no more, now the wildlife are losing there home to development. I visited some friends in Denmark once, they said there was no wild land and they wanted to leave the place. I didn't like the place either, without wild country a country ain't worth living in.
12-19-2003, 04:41 AM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
BJ, a three degree decrease in temperatures on the eastern seaboard for any given short term cannot possibly be linked to any single event with any certainty. It has been said that figures don't lie but liars figure so anything like that has to be taken with a grain of salt. As far as our so called scientific community is concerned those break throughs they have in fact accomplished are based on research and cold hard facts, not the nattering of a bunch of hand wringers with an agenda.
This is not to say that common sense should not prevail when it comes to the use of our resources, that is what conservation is all about. The forests, are in fact, a renewable resource. The oceans and their ecosystems can be utilized without killing them, one of the main problems here is not the developed nations but the so called third world nations that demand our compliance but ignore their own fallibility. Over fishing is not being done by the U.S. Canada, Endland or Japan, it is being done by third world countries that plead poverty.
Exhaust emmissions have been reduced in the developed nations but places like Madagascar (where the wealthy are poor by our standards) still use locally produced charcoal for everything from cooking to heating their homes. Proper sanitation is all but nonexistant in many of these places with untreated sewerage running unchecked into streams, rivers and ultimately the oceans. The list goes on and on and yet there is no demand that these countries expend any energy or funds to correct their problems, yet they demand that we cut back our productivity and standard of living to save the world. Excuse me, what's wrong with this picture?
This is not to say that common sense should not prevail when it comes to the use of our resources, that is what conservation is all about. The forests, are in fact, a renewable resource. The oceans and their ecosystems can be utilized without killing them, one of the main problems here is not the developed nations but the so called third world nations that demand our compliance but ignore their own fallibility. Over fishing is not being done by the U.S. Canada, Endland or Japan, it is being done by third world countries that plead poverty.
Exhaust emmissions have been reduced in the developed nations but places like Madagascar (where the wealthy are poor by our standards) still use locally produced charcoal for everything from cooking to heating their homes. Proper sanitation is all but nonexistant in many of these places with untreated sewerage running unchecked into streams, rivers and ultimately the oceans. The list goes on and on and yet there is no demand that these countries expend any energy or funds to correct their problems, yet they demand that we cut back our productivity and standard of living to save the world. Excuse me, what's wrong with this picture?
12-19-2003, 10:48 AM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
Like BJ say's it's not just about hunting. When your looking for game there's a lot of other of natures bounty you see.
] Do you guys read watership down too>? Now i know bj talks some bs/ mixed in with some reality - But Coasite now knows what hes talking about - he is not just spewing the sky is falling chicken lill hippi mantra.
12-19-2003, 05:56 PM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
ironranger - you say climate has gotten "a lot warmer since I was young". Wow - you must have either have superhuman temperature sensing or extremely old!
Even the most ardent "global warming" scientists say they think the average "surface" temp of the Earth has only risen around 1/2 a degree in the past century. I guarantee you can't "feel" that difference. Tell the real Iron Rangers in northern Minnesota that it’s getting warmer. Last winter many people in northern MN had septic systems, wells and other things freeze that they’d never had freeze before. Lake Superior was completely frozen over last winter. That is something that only happens a couple times in 30 years. Still that neither means a trend for global cooling any more than your anecdotal evidence means we’re experiencing “global warming”.
From fossil, geologic, plant and human history there is abundant evidence that there have been numerous cycles of much warmer periods and much colder periods of climatic changes. None of which have been brought about by humans. Climate changes can only be measured over centuries, not a few years.
You talk about thinning ice in the Arctic regions. Well, just a few years ago they were saying the same thing about Antarctic ice. Guess what? "They" (the global warming alarmists) were wrong! Scientist now admit that average depth of the Antarctic ice shelf is getting thicker nearly every year!
Have a nice day. Spend your time and effort on real problems and don't be swayed by the environmental extremists whose real agenda is to eliminate Capitalism and install Socialism around the world. “Global warming” scheme is just one way they try to do this with gov’t regulation, far beyond what is useful or necessary. No, I don’t think that all who talk about environmental topics are Socialists. But the hardcore pushers of extreme environmental agendas are nearly always hard core Leftist on other issues, too.
Even the most ardent "global warming" scientists say they think the average "surface" temp of the Earth has only risen around 1/2 a degree in the past century. I guarantee you can't "feel" that difference. Tell the real Iron Rangers in northern Minnesota that it’s getting warmer. Last winter many people in northern MN had septic systems, wells and other things freeze that they’d never had freeze before. Lake Superior was completely frozen over last winter. That is something that only happens a couple times in 30 years. Still that neither means a trend for global cooling any more than your anecdotal evidence means we’re experiencing “global warming”.
From fossil, geologic, plant and human history there is abundant evidence that there have been numerous cycles of much warmer periods and much colder periods of climatic changes. None of which have been brought about by humans. Climate changes can only be measured over centuries, not a few years.
You talk about thinning ice in the Arctic regions. Well, just a few years ago they were saying the same thing about Antarctic ice. Guess what? "They" (the global warming alarmists) were wrong! Scientist now admit that average depth of the Antarctic ice shelf is getting thicker nearly every year!
Have a nice day. Spend your time and effort on real problems and don't be swayed by the environmental extremists whose real agenda is to eliminate Capitalism and install Socialism around the world. “Global warming” scheme is just one way they try to do this with gov’t regulation, far beyond what is useful or necessary. No, I don’t think that all who talk about environmental topics are Socialists. But the hardcore pushers of extreme environmental agendas are nearly always hard core Leftist on other issues, too.
12-21-2003, 05:32 AM
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RE: Why don't hunters like to conserve?
One eyed fish
I don't take very kindly to your remarks, I fought for this country in the Viet Nam war and was wounded in an attack that sent me back to the states, I have also worked in the bush for the last 30 years and have been doing a lot of other things there besides hunting. I don't know if you have noticed but any and all kinds of land are dissapearing to development. People like you who don't care, but criticize those who want to do something are part of the problem. Wake up to yourself.
I don't take very kindly to your remarks, I fought for this country in the Viet Nam war and was wounded in an attack that sent me back to the states, I have also worked in the bush for the last 30 years and have been doing a lot of other things there besides hunting. I don't know if you have noticed but any and all kinds of land are dissapearing to development. People like you who don't care, but criticize those who want to do something are part of the problem. Wake up to yourself.