Bison (buffalo) with a 30-06
#11
Typical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 612
Your .06 should do the trick. Go with the bigger bullet. I helped a friend butcher a cow that he killed with one shot with a .270. It didn't go far (30 yards). There is a vast difference in size between a small cow and a large bull and the tenacity of an individual animal is not always the same either. Place your shot, follow through, be prepared to track if necessary. Like everything we hunt.
#12
45/70 has more then enough power to bring down Bison. Do some reading on big/dangerous game hunting in africa. Its a different means to dish out the damage, using a slower, but large blunt bullet, vs the expanding hyper speed bullets. One has alot more consistant results then the other. Hang around safari hunters, and you'll learn what kills Cape Buffalo, a cousin to the Bison, but heavier boned, and meaner.
Regardless, I would skip on Bison hunting with an '06, and get more profficient with a normal sized gun first, then graduate to a mag.
Regardless, I would skip on Bison hunting with an '06, and get more profficient with a normal sized gun first, then graduate to a mag.
#13
I wondeer how many were killed with a 30-30? or a .32 special?? or the puny 25-35??? 44-40?? the list goes on he!! all them poor little inadequate rounds been around a lot longer them big ol scary magnum bangnoms!!!!!
#14
45/70 has more then enough power to bring down Bison. Do some reading on big/dangerous game hunting in africa. Its a different means to dish out the damage, using a slower, but large blunt bullet, vs the expanding hyper speed bullets. One has alot more consistant results then the other. Hang around safari hunters, and you'll learn what kills Cape Buffalo, a cousin to the Bison, but heavier boned, and meaner.
Regardless, I would skip on Bison hunting with an '06, and get more profficient with a normal sized gun first, then graduate to a mag.
Regardless, I would skip on Bison hunting with an '06, and get more profficient with a normal sized gun first, then graduate to a mag.
A normal sized gun????????????? as opposed to a abnormal sized gun????
#15
30.06
muzzzle 100 yds 200 yds
180 Gr. Speer Grand Slam2800 / 3133+1.88 / 2575 / 2649+0.00 / 2361 / 2228-8.09 / 2161 / 1866-23.66 / 1973 / 1555
45.70
405 Gr. JFP1900 / 3206+6.28 / 1581 / 2218+0.00 / 1316 / 1537-26.53 / 1127 / 1128-79.95 / 1012 / 909-165.43 / 932 / 771
both loads are conley precision
Bullet energy is bullet energy
muzzzle 100 yds 200 yds
180 Gr. Speer Grand Slam2800 / 3133+1.88 / 2575 / 2649+0.00 / 2361 / 2228-8.09 / 2161 / 1866-23.66 / 1973 / 1555
45.70
405 Gr. JFP1900 / 3206+6.28 / 1581 / 2218+0.00 / 1316 / 1537-26.53 / 1127 / 1128-79.95 / 1012 / 909-165.43 / 932 / 771
both loads are conley precision
Bullet energy is bullet energy
#16
30.06
muzzzle 100 yds 200 yds
180 Gr. Speer Grand Slam2800 / 3133+1.88 / 2575 / 2649+0.00 / 2361 / 2228-8.09 / 2161 / 1866-23.66 / 1973 / 1555
45.70
405 Gr. JFP1900 / 3206+6.28 / 1581 / 2218+0.00 / 1316 / 1537-26.53 / 1127 / 1128-79.95 / 1012 / 909-165.43 / 932 / 771
both loads are conley precision
Bullet energy is bullet energy
muzzzle 100 yds 200 yds
180 Gr. Speer Grand Slam2800 / 3133+1.88 / 2575 / 2649+0.00 / 2361 / 2228-8.09 / 2161 / 1866-23.66 / 1973 / 1555
45.70
405 Gr. JFP1900 / 3206+6.28 / 1581 / 2218+0.00 / 1316 / 1537-26.53 / 1127 / 1128-79.95 / 1012 / 909-165.43 / 932 / 771
both loads are conley precision
Bullet energy is bullet energy
#17
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 797
The 30-06 has V shaped energy dispersion type of impact. The 45-70 has a U shaped energy dispersion type of impact. Although the 30-06 maybe carrying more ft lbs of energy the 45-70 will have more of an instant shock to the animal delivering more energy on impact. As the 30-06 will probably get more penetration. These are big animals and they can take a lot of system shock without immediately going down. Either way 30-06 or 45-70 will kill it shooting through the vitals. I've knocked more animals down with slow big bore handguns and muzzle loaders than I have with modern high velocity rifles. It's a whole other type of impact and system shock. Really large game can take a few rounds and be dead on their feet before giving it up. Would I take say a 30-06 and go buffalo hunting? Yes they are like shooting cattle in a pen you can wait for a decent shot.
#18
Bison are tough. I shot one last month with a .300 Win mag, it took 2 shots to tip him over (both were lung shots at 150 yards), Barnes Triple Shock 180 grain ammo, and it was only a 2-year-old bull.
If your only choice is a 30-06, it will do the job, but get the heaviest, best ammo you can find for the task.
If your only choice is a 30-06, it will do the job, but get the heaviest, best ammo you can find for the task.
#19
I'm kind of shocked, do people still only rely on bullet energy to determine effectiveness. There is some truth to energy, however, bullet design, caliber, speed, etc all have a huge part, if not larger part then shear energy. This is well documented, and a simple search on here, or online will divulge this, via very reliable sources.
#20
Big, and slow was the way to go.
Nothing like a good argument.
Here's an article on buffalo cartridges from a historic perspective.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm
Not everyone likes Chuck Hawks I know.
Here's a book I read a couple years ago while Bear hunting. It helps me sit still.
http://www.stevenrinella.com/book/am...f-a-lost-icon/
It's combines this fellows hunt in Alaska. With his research of our American Bison. If I remember right. He used a .300 Win. Mag.
Here's an article on buffalo cartridges from a historic perspective.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/buffalo_cartridges.htm
Not everyone likes Chuck Hawks I know.
Here's a book I read a couple years ago while Bear hunting. It helps me sit still.
http://www.stevenrinella.com/book/am...f-a-lost-icon/
It's combines this fellows hunt in Alaska. With his research of our American Bison. If I remember right. He used a .300 Win. Mag.
Last edited by Mickey Finn; 11-16-2012 at 05:34 AM.