View Poll Results: Utah or Montana for elk hunting?
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Montana or Utah for elk hunting?
#11
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Carbon County Pa.
Posts: 601
#12
I personally know the guy with the state of Montana Pope & Young record Nontypical elk. 409" on the dot. Taken in Lincoln County in 1996.
Here's the 400" or better elk killed since 2000 that people have taken the time to actually submit to the state of Montana that they have posted on their website. There were several others that were high 390's.
407 3/8 Rosebud Co 2003 Adams, Chuck
411 3/8 Rosebud Co. 2000 Adams, Chuck
410 3/8 Hill Co. 2000 Burns, Brendan
409 6/8 Garfield Co 2003 Mangold, Dennis
403 0/8 Park Co 2003 Turner, Casey
401 7/8 Fergus Co. 2000 Koch, Raymond
Probably not the quailty of the premier Utah LE units, but several of those bulls were taken in general hunt areas based on the county listed. People always talk about the Missouri Breaks area that is a LE area in Montana, but only one of the 400"+ bulls were from that area.
P.S. - I would guess that 2000 and 2003 were pretty good years for moisture but I haven't gone back and checked. They've had some really good moisture years the last couple years, wonder if there are some dandy's that are about to get posted up.
Here's the 400" or better elk killed since 2000 that people have taken the time to actually submit to the state of Montana that they have posted on their website. There were several others that were high 390's.
407 3/8 Rosebud Co 2003 Adams, Chuck
411 3/8 Rosebud Co. 2000 Adams, Chuck
410 3/8 Hill Co. 2000 Burns, Brendan
409 6/8 Garfield Co 2003 Mangold, Dennis
403 0/8 Park Co 2003 Turner, Casey
401 7/8 Fergus Co. 2000 Koch, Raymond
Probably not the quailty of the premier Utah LE units, but several of those bulls were taken in general hunt areas based on the county listed. People always talk about the Missouri Breaks area that is a LE area in Montana, but only one of the 400"+ bulls were from that area.
P.S. - I would guess that 2000 and 2003 were pretty good years for moisture but I haven't gone back and checked. They've had some really good moisture years the last couple years, wonder if there are some dandy's that are about to get posted up.
Last edited by npaden; 10-09-2010 at 05:26 AM.
#13
I personally know the guy with the state of Montana Pope & Young record Nontypical elk. 409" on the dot. Taken in Lincoln County in 1996.
Here's the 400" or better elk killed since 2000 that people have taken the time to actually submit to the state of Montana that they have posted on their website. There were several others that were high 390's.
407 3/8 Rosebud Co 2003 Adams, Chuck
411 3/8 Rosebud Co. 2000 Adams, Chuck
410 3/8 Hill Co. 2000 Burns, Brendan
409 6/8 Garfield Co 2003 Mangold, Dennis
403 0/8 Park Co 2003 Turner, Casey
401 7/8 Fergus Co. 2000 Koch, Raymond
Probably not the quailty of the premier Utah LE units, but several of those bulls were taken in general hunt areas based on the county listed. People always talk about the Missouri Breaks area that is a LE area in Montana, but only one of the 400"+ bulls were from that area.
P.S. - I would guess that 2000 and 2003 were pretty good years for moisture but I haven't gone back and checked. They've had some really good moisture years the last couple years, wonder if there are some dandy's that are about to get posted up.
Here's the 400" or better elk killed since 2000 that people have taken the time to actually submit to the state of Montana that they have posted on their website. There were several others that were high 390's.
407 3/8 Rosebud Co 2003 Adams, Chuck
411 3/8 Rosebud Co. 2000 Adams, Chuck
410 3/8 Hill Co. 2000 Burns, Brendan
409 6/8 Garfield Co 2003 Mangold, Dennis
403 0/8 Park Co 2003 Turner, Casey
401 7/8 Fergus Co. 2000 Koch, Raymond
Probably not the quailty of the premier Utah LE units, but several of those bulls were taken in general hunt areas based on the county listed. People always talk about the Missouri Breaks area that is a LE area in Montana, but only one of the 400"+ bulls were from that area.
P.S. - I would guess that 2000 and 2003 were pretty good years for moisture but I haven't gone back and checked. They've had some really good moisture years the last couple years, wonder if there are some dandy's that are about to get posted up.
#14
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 334
I don't have any stats at hand, but think about it, UT produces more 400" bulls every year than any other state, UT has a much smaller elk population than other classic elk states, such as MT, ID, CO...
so more 400+, with way less elk, I think CO has around 300k elk, MT around 180k, UT I think has around 16-25k elk...
Does CO or MT produce a 400" every year? even 1?
so more 400+, with way less elk, I think CO has around 300k elk, MT around 180k, UT I think has around 16-25k elk...
Does CO or MT produce a 400" every year? even 1?
If you read the internet and magazines, all you need to do is just get one and you will bag a giant. I am thinking a large amount of these LE tagholders go home disappointed.
And yes, MT produces several 400 bulls a year on general tags, and others on some of the premium draws. I know of two this year that very few people will ever know about. And if you want to go with 400 inch bulls on LE permits, I bet its less than 5%. BFD, I would rather hunt every year and have a legit shot at a 350 or better bull, and in MT, you got it. Heck, my buddy just got ANOTHER 350 bull this year, pubic land, OTC tag, blah blah blah.
And 180k is probably stretching it by about 50,000 elk too.
Last edited by MTdrahthaar; 10-09-2010 at 08:32 PM.
#15
Spike
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Eastern Montana
Posts: 3
I personally know the guy with the state of Montana Pope & Young record Nontypical elk. 409" on the dot. Taken in Lincoln County in 1996.
Here's the 400" or better elk killed since 2000 that people have taken the time to actually submit to the state of Montana that they have posted on their website. There were several others that were high 390's.
407 3/8 Rosebud Co 2003 Adams, Chuck
411 3/8 Rosebud Co. 2000 Adams, Chuck
410 3/8 Hill Co. 2000 Burns, Brendan
409 6/8 Garfield Co 2003 Mangold, Dennis
403 0/8 Park Co 2003 Turner, Casey
401 7/8 Fergus Co. 2000 Koch, Raymond
Probably not the quailty of the premier Utah LE units, but several of those bulls were taken in general hunt areas based on the county listed. People always talk about the Missouri Breaks area that is a LE area in Montana, but only one of the 400"+ bulls were from that area.
P.S. - I would guess that 2000 and 2003 were pretty good years for moisture but I haven't gone back and checked. They've had some really good moisture years the last couple years, wonder if there are some dandy's that are about to get posted up.
Here's the 400" or better elk killed since 2000 that people have taken the time to actually submit to the state of Montana that they have posted on their website. There were several others that were high 390's.
407 3/8 Rosebud Co 2003 Adams, Chuck
411 3/8 Rosebud Co. 2000 Adams, Chuck
410 3/8 Hill Co. 2000 Burns, Brendan
409 6/8 Garfield Co 2003 Mangold, Dennis
403 0/8 Park Co 2003 Turner, Casey
401 7/8 Fergus Co. 2000 Koch, Raymond
Probably not the quailty of the premier Utah LE units, but several of those bulls were taken in general hunt areas based on the county listed. People always talk about the Missouri Breaks area that is a LE area in Montana, but only one of the 400"+ bulls were from that area.
P.S. - I would guess that 2000 and 2003 were pretty good years for moisture but I haven't gone back and checked. They've had some really good moisture years the last couple years, wonder if there are some dandy's that are about to get posted up.
#16
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 797
The chances of someone killing a 400 class bull? Lets see.
Since 2005------Typical
CATEGORY American Elk Typical, YEARS 2005 to 2009, AWARDS MINIMUM 360, ALL-TIME MINIMUM 375, LOCATION All Locations
SCORE LOCATION HUNTER OWNER DATE RANK
1. 428 6/8 Grand, UT Ron Skoronski Ron Skoronski 2006 4
2. 413 2/8 Coconino, AZ William R. Dandy Eric Olson 2008 14
3. 412 7/8 Utah, UT Doug Degelbeck Doug Degelbeck 2006 15
4. 412 1/8 Coconino, AZ Shawn Patterson Shawn Patterson 2005 17
5. 411 3/8 Millard, UT Denny Austad Denny Austad 2006 *
6. 408 4/8 Millard, UT Lloyd R. Jacobsen Lloyd R. Jacobsen 2005 *
7. 404 6/8 Millard, UT Stephen C. Broadbent Stephen C. Broadbent 2006 27
8. 404 4/8 Gila, AZ Jay Scott Jay Scott 2005 29
9. 404 1/8 Graham, AZ Duane Chapman Duane Chapman 2007 30
10. 403 4/8 Garfield, UT Shan J. Ogden Shan J. Ogden 2006 32
11. 403 1/8 Gila, AZ Dan J. Agnew Dan J. Agnew 2008 33
12. 400 4/8 San Miguel, CO Dillon Z. Sanders Dillon Z. Sanders 2007 47
Since 2005-----NON-Typical
CATEGORY American Elk Non-Typical, YEARS 2005 to 2009, AWARDS MINIMUM 385, ALL-TIME MINIMUM 385, LOCATION All Locations
SCORE LOCATION HUNTER OWNER DATE RANK
1. 478 5/8 Piute, UT Denny Austad Denny Austad 2008 *
2. 441 3/8 Navajo, AZ William H. Junell William H. Junell 2008 8
3. 426 Ribstone Creek, AB Hubert L. Rieland Hubert L. Rieland 2005 *
4. 425 2/8 Clinton, PA John A. Shirk John A. Shirk 2006 17
5. 423 3/8 Gila, AZ James R. Boldt James R. Boldt 2007 19
6. 423 Wayne, UT Darrell Snedeger Darrell Snedeger 2007 20
7. 416 6/8 Beaver, UT Mitch R. Carter Mitch R. Carter 2008 29
8. 415 6/8 Nye, NV Ted L. Wehking Cabela's, Inc. 2005 32
9. 413 6/8 Sheridan, WY Gary D. Schock Gary D. Schock 2008 41
10. 411 2/8 Coconino, AZ Mike J. Drake Mike J. Drake 2005 48
11. 410 7/8 Lincoln, NV Sam S. Jaksick, Jr. Sam S. Jaksick, Jr. 2006 50
12. 409 7/8 Garden, NE Dana L. Foster Dana L. Foster 2008 54
13. 408 3/8 Garfield, UT Joshua S. Pollock Joshua S. Pollock 2007 63
14. 407 7/8 Custer, MT Timothy M. Donnelly Timothy M. Donnelly 2008 67
15. 404 6/8 Cibola, NM Lacy J. Harber Lacy J. Harber 2005 83
16. 404 3/8 Beaver, UT Mike Coelho Mike Coelho 2006 87
17. 404 Elko, NV Mike D. Popejoy Mike D. Popejoy 2005 91
18. 403 7/8 Catron, NM Charles J. Sillivent Charles J. Sillivent 2006 92
19. 403 6/8 Mora, NM Zane T. Streater Zane T. Streater 2008 95
20. 403 2/8 Piute, UT Greg Holman Greg Holman 2006 100
21. 402 6/8 Coconino, AZ Dion M. Laney Dion M. Laney 2007 107
22. 401 4/8 Apache, AZ Thomas D. Friedkin Thomas D. Friedkin 2005 117
23. 401 1/8 Socorro, NM Tod L. Reichert Tod L. Reichert 2008 120
24. 400 3/8 Saskatchewan River, SK Jamie Freedman Jamie Freedman 2008 129
25. 400 2/8 Elk, PA Barry L. Klusewitz Barry L. Klusewitz 2005 130
Well I'd say about 37 people got lucky with a rifle in 5 year period so the chances across the board to kill a 400 class bull would be say .005 percent or something like that? If I started putting in now for a trophy draw of a lifetime I'd probably be so old by the time I drew I wouldn't even care if I shot a spike bull by then. Maybe I'll get a chance to find another nice 300 class bull in Colorado OTC and be happy I get to go hunting every year.
Since 2005------Typical
CATEGORY American Elk Typical, YEARS 2005 to 2009, AWARDS MINIMUM 360, ALL-TIME MINIMUM 375, LOCATION All Locations
SCORE LOCATION HUNTER OWNER DATE RANK
1. 428 6/8 Grand, UT Ron Skoronski Ron Skoronski 2006 4
2. 413 2/8 Coconino, AZ William R. Dandy Eric Olson 2008 14
3. 412 7/8 Utah, UT Doug Degelbeck Doug Degelbeck 2006 15
4. 412 1/8 Coconino, AZ Shawn Patterson Shawn Patterson 2005 17
5. 411 3/8 Millard, UT Denny Austad Denny Austad 2006 *
6. 408 4/8 Millard, UT Lloyd R. Jacobsen Lloyd R. Jacobsen 2005 *
7. 404 6/8 Millard, UT Stephen C. Broadbent Stephen C. Broadbent 2006 27
8. 404 4/8 Gila, AZ Jay Scott Jay Scott 2005 29
9. 404 1/8 Graham, AZ Duane Chapman Duane Chapman 2007 30
10. 403 4/8 Garfield, UT Shan J. Ogden Shan J. Ogden 2006 32
11. 403 1/8 Gila, AZ Dan J. Agnew Dan J. Agnew 2008 33
12. 400 4/8 San Miguel, CO Dillon Z. Sanders Dillon Z. Sanders 2007 47
Since 2005-----NON-Typical
CATEGORY American Elk Non-Typical, YEARS 2005 to 2009, AWARDS MINIMUM 385, ALL-TIME MINIMUM 385, LOCATION All Locations
SCORE LOCATION HUNTER OWNER DATE RANK
1. 478 5/8 Piute, UT Denny Austad Denny Austad 2008 *
2. 441 3/8 Navajo, AZ William H. Junell William H. Junell 2008 8
3. 426 Ribstone Creek, AB Hubert L. Rieland Hubert L. Rieland 2005 *
4. 425 2/8 Clinton, PA John A. Shirk John A. Shirk 2006 17
5. 423 3/8 Gila, AZ James R. Boldt James R. Boldt 2007 19
6. 423 Wayne, UT Darrell Snedeger Darrell Snedeger 2007 20
7. 416 6/8 Beaver, UT Mitch R. Carter Mitch R. Carter 2008 29
8. 415 6/8 Nye, NV Ted L. Wehking Cabela's, Inc. 2005 32
9. 413 6/8 Sheridan, WY Gary D. Schock Gary D. Schock 2008 41
10. 411 2/8 Coconino, AZ Mike J. Drake Mike J. Drake 2005 48
11. 410 7/8 Lincoln, NV Sam S. Jaksick, Jr. Sam S. Jaksick, Jr. 2006 50
12. 409 7/8 Garden, NE Dana L. Foster Dana L. Foster 2008 54
13. 408 3/8 Garfield, UT Joshua S. Pollock Joshua S. Pollock 2007 63
14. 407 7/8 Custer, MT Timothy M. Donnelly Timothy M. Donnelly 2008 67
15. 404 6/8 Cibola, NM Lacy J. Harber Lacy J. Harber 2005 83
16. 404 3/8 Beaver, UT Mike Coelho Mike Coelho 2006 87
17. 404 Elko, NV Mike D. Popejoy Mike D. Popejoy 2005 91
18. 403 7/8 Catron, NM Charles J. Sillivent Charles J. Sillivent 2006 92
19. 403 6/8 Mora, NM Zane T. Streater Zane T. Streater 2008 95
20. 403 2/8 Piute, UT Greg Holman Greg Holman 2006 100
21. 402 6/8 Coconino, AZ Dion M. Laney Dion M. Laney 2007 107
22. 401 4/8 Apache, AZ Thomas D. Friedkin Thomas D. Friedkin 2005 117
23. 401 1/8 Socorro, NM Tod L. Reichert Tod L. Reichert 2008 120
24. 400 3/8 Saskatchewan River, SK Jamie Freedman Jamie Freedman 2008 129
25. 400 2/8 Elk, PA Barry L. Klusewitz Barry L. Klusewitz 2005 130
Well I'd say about 37 people got lucky with a rifle in 5 year period so the chances across the board to kill a 400 class bull would be say .005 percent or something like that? If I started putting in now for a trophy draw of a lifetime I'd probably be so old by the time I drew I wouldn't even care if I shot a spike bull by then. Maybe I'll get a chance to find another nice 300 class bull in Colorado OTC and be happy I get to go hunting every year.
#17
Spike
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Southeastern Montana
Posts: 27
Given what the reintroduction of wolves has done to the elk herds in the west end of this state, you certainly will not see as many elk as we did just a few years back. That being said, MT does produce some big bulls...we just don't advertise them as much....our little secret. A 350 class bull is not uncommon up here.....