bslugnut

The reason I am inquiring, is that I am looking to book an archery elk hunt in the next year or so. What could I do to prepare myself for the hunt? What should I look for in an outfitter...good and bad signs? What type of questions should I ask, other that the obvious ones? i.e. licensing, is the hunt 1x1 or 2x1 and hidden costs. I plan on spending some hard earned cash and I would like to gain some professional insight, since your team and friends do this for a living.

frozendisc

The very first thing you should do is define your expectations. What is it you want out of this hunt, then ask questions of the outfitters that will determine if you will get your expectations filled. As far as getting ready for the hunt....work out work out work out.......

younggun308

Definately work out! Especially aerobics, 'cause you're going to be hiking a lot!!!!

Bob H in NH

Step 1: You're expectations: how much, what animal, what size (trophy or any), would a cow be ok? What about a spike? What about waiting a year or two or three... for a draw tag, or OTC?

That will narrow down to certain states and outfitters.

Step 2: Find outfitters that match step 1. Outdoor shows are great you meet them face to face. Internet sites, word of mouth etc.

ASK LOTS OF QUESTIONS. Any outfitter who gets impatient with your questions or hesitates on answers, cross em off the list. Ask the same question several times in several conversations, if the answer changes, cross em off the list.

Things to ask:

Cost and what does it include? License? Airport pick up? Butcher (most of the time these are not included, though airport pickup sometimes is). Caping?

Waiting list: long waiting list good sign, no waiting list and can hunt on short notice: bad sign.

How long has he outfitted in that area?

How long have his guides been with him?

How much business is repeat business?

what defines success in his success rate?

What will happen if you have a guide you don't get along with?

then pick one, send in your money and stop worry about it (worrying about it consumed me before my first hunt).

Get in shape, in good elk country they seem to forget to put oxygen in the air and they don't seem to believe in flat land.

cherokee_outfitters

After watching fellow outfitters for almost 20years my first question after the intial introductions would be this question. Are youthe outfitter or a regular guide going to be up on the mountain with us? Regular guide being someone that has atleast hunted with the outfitter over three years. Why do I say this? I see guys booking all the camps they can book. They overrun their area's and the clients are not getting a fair deal. If they book more than 4 guided people in a camp they are into the numbers game and not in it for the hunt and the clients success. When an outfitter has to hire extra help usually the guide is very limited in experience or the area hunted. Our oufit has two guides so we max out at four clients. If a party of 5 to 6 books then we hire another outfitter or his guide that is not booked that season to help us. Summer help and college kids won't fill the bill when it comes to guiding clients.

Second thing and very important. Make sure your outfitter has complete knowledge of you and limitations. Along with that you must find out where you are supposed to base camp wether it be a early season camp up in the mountains or a camped out at a lodge or cabin in late seasons. Weather can really mess up plans on hunting really high elevations so be ready for plan number 2. Make sure you recieve a contract between you and the outfitter. Ask for sure on hidden costs. There's nothing like spending your extra cash on BS that wasn't discussed.

CALL THE FOREST SERVICE IN THE AREA YOU PLAN TO HUNT AND ASK ABOUT THE OUTFITTER YOU PLAN TO HUNT WITH. I CAN'T STRESS THIS POINT ENOUGH.

Good luck and always be optimistic
I know I booked a bear hunt in Canada in May so as an outfitter I'm skeptical about the other outfitter myself until I get there.

20GADBL

Another factor to look at is how long they have been in business, if they have been in for 10+yrs they must be doing something right. Call their references to get some client oppinions. Oh, and for elk hunting just drop what ever you are doing right now and start running and don't stop until you are leaving for your trip and you'll almost be in good enough shape for elk country.

huntinglife

I hope you enjoy the following article that I wrote for a handout for my seminars.

How to choose a great outfitter!
Kevin C. Paulson
Introduction
The last several years I had the pleasure of being an outfitter in
Idaho and Montana. I spent a majority of my time on the phone and a portion of my time in the field. I have talked with literally
thousands of hunters over the last several years and I have
answered literally thousands of questions about hunting elk, mule
deer, whitetail and spring bear. The following advise comes from
all of these hunters and also my own quests to find great outfitters
and great trips to pursue my own dreams of chasing trophy quality
animals with first class outfitters and first class people. My
definition of a first class outfitter is more about attitude then
anything else, but sometimes everything else is just as important.
The following is a list of ideas and questions that you should be
thinking about.
Species/Type of Hunt
My first advice that I offer you will be to choose the species and the
type of hunt you are looking for first and foremost. Do you want a
whitetail hunt out of a lodge, or a backcountry elk hunt 20 miles
from the nearest road? Are you looking for an arctic adventure
chasing Musk Oxen or Polar bear in the frozen north or are you
looking for a spring bear hunt for that 400lb black bear? Are you
looking for a combination hunt for several species. Define what it
is that you are looking for and only seek out specifically what it is
that you want.
The type of hunt you are looking for and the conditions of that hunt
are the first questions you want to ask yourself before you step out
into the world to look for an outfitter. Do you want a lodge hunt
where you have warm showers or are you willing to stay in a tent in
the backcountry with no running water and a stream to bath in? Are
you willing to ride a horse? Are you willing to fly in to a remote
location? Remember, this is your hunt, and you are paying for the
opportunity to take a big game trophy in the conditions and the
manner in which you desire. Are you willing to deal with bugs,
heat, snow, rain and altitude in your quest? Are you looking for a
hard hunt or an easy hunt? What is it that you desire for your
dream hunt?
Define a Trophy
Define early what you consider a trophy. Are you looking for an
average deer or elk? Are you hunting for the meat from the animal
or are you looking for that Boone & Crockett or Pope & Young
trophy of your dreams? Define early what you would be willing to
take on the first several days of your hunt? Define the minimum
you are willing to take on the last day of your hunt? If you have the
opportunity to take some time and look at various pictures of the
animals that you are seeking and define exactly what it is that you
are looking for? An example of this would be that with elk I define
a trophy with a rifle as anything over a 300 class Boone & Crockett
bull, but with a bow I would be willing to take any good bull and it
would be a trophy to me.
Physical Conditioning
Define early what your personal conditioning and be very accepting
of exactly where you are personally in your physical fitness? Are
you already in shape enough to hunt the species you are looking
for? Do you need to get in shape for your specific hunt? Are you
willing to do the work to get in shape for your hunt? Is the hunt out
of your range of physical fitness? These are specific questions that
only you and your doctor can really hope to answer. These types of
questions are sometimes hard to answer yourself and you may want
to elicit the advise of others about your physical conditioning. I
always recommend that any hunter over the age of 35 take a prehunt
physical and create a work out regiment early in the year to
gear up for a hard back country hunt.
Finances
Know exactly what it is that you are willing to spend on a hunt. Be
very accepting of exactly what your budget is for the type of hunt
you are willing to do. Are you willing to accept a budget hunt
where you may save a few dollars and fore go a few amenities, or
are you willing to wait until you have the budget to afford the right
outfitter and the right hunt for what you are seeking? Be honest
with yourself about what you are willing to accept.
Practice
Are you willing to put in enough time to do the practice necessary
to be successful on your hunt? It always baffles me to see hunters
come in to camp who have spent big money to come in and go
hunting who have not taken the time to practice with their bows or
rifles. The opportunity to take your trophy of a lifetime can
sometimes happen in a matter of seconds. The choice for success
in the field at the moment of the shot is truly yours. Are you willing
to make the time to practice the weapon of your choice to be a
great shot? If you are willing to practice, are you willing to practice
in all kinds of conditions and all kinds of distances? Are you willing
to push yourself in your practice to shoot at distances that are
outside of your comfort zone?
Choosing an Outfitter
There are 3 options for you to pick out an outfitter these days.
• Ask a friend who has hunted with an outfitter.
• Use the Internet to research outfitters
• Attend your local outdoor shows
All three have advantages and disadvantages and the following set
of questions and advice should assist you in researching the hunt of
a lifetime.
Friends and Family
Friends and family can be a great source of trusted advice about
where to go hunting and what to expect from outfitters. These are
sources that you know and who know you and can give you honest
information about where you might be happy hunting. The only
disadvantage is that sometimes friends and family will steer you
onto an outfitter so that they can get a discount hunt with that
outfitter or make a recommendation about where they went five
years ago and the conditions in that area have changed
dramatically. If a friend of yours recommends an outfitter by all
means check them out, just do your due diligence just like you
would if you knew nothing about the outfitter.
The Wild Wild Web
The wild web can be a wonderful resource to search out an outfitter
as well. There are some really great resources on the web to find a
great outfitter and the advantage is that you can really take your
time to do your homework on the outfitter and seek out specifically
the trip of your dreams. Most reputable outfitters have a web site
and keep it updated on a regular basis. That being said, I know
some great outfitters who in the field I would be willing to follow to
the ends of the earth, and yet on the web they look absolutely like a
joke. As someone who is here to give you some advice on what to
look for the only answer I can say is always judge a book by its
cover and never judge a book by its cover. Always be willing to
check out every source you can do your due diligence in checking
each and every outfitter you can.
In seeking outfitters out on the wild web, I look first for the species
and I research everything I can about them. In looking for a moose
hunt for the fall of 2008, I have spent several hours looking at
research on moose. I then picked a region that I wanted to hunt
that was within my budget. I knew I was not ready to hunt Alaska
as it was outside my current budget so I chose to look at
Newfoundland, Canada. Newfoundland has a herd size of almost
130,000 moose in the region and the outfitters there are within my
budget range. I then looked at pictures of all of the moose that I
could find that were taken in 2006. I decided what I would consider
a trophy from all of the pictures that I saw of moose taken in that
region. I am personally looking for a moose over 40 inches wide
with very wide palms. I am wiling to spend 10 days hunting for this
trophy and I wanted the option of taking a caribou or bear if I
stumbled upon a nice one. I then found a list of all of the outfitters
offering trips that were of this caliber and looked them each up on
the web. I then emailed all of them and asked for a list of 10
references from 2006 and a brochure and pricing and a copy of
their contracts. Once I get the time to make the calls and check all
of the references I will narrow it down to two or three outfitters and
then get on the phone with them and make a choice.
Outdoor Shows
Outdoor shows can be a great place to find outfitters. I have found
some wonderful outfitters by cruising the aisles of the various
outdoor shows that are out there. Before attending a show, I
usually look at the exhibitor list before I attend and look the
outfitter up on the web and try and get a list of references for that
outfitter first. I then check the references and go with a plan in
mind. I also am always open to talking to any outfitter I find at
these shows because sometimes personality and attitude play into
my decisions on who I choose. When looking for a hunt, I am
always open to hearing what someone has to say. That being said,
there are some caveats to seeking out an outfitter at the various
shows that are out there.
Outdoor shows can be another great place to find outfitters to fill
your needs. I have found some very good outfitters by browsing the
aisles of outdoor shows. Some points to remember when talking
with outfitters at an outdoor show are:
• Don’t judge an outfitter just by the display of heads in his
booth or his pictures. They may or may not be a good
representation of what they have to offer.
• Always talk to the outfitter himself and not just the guide who
is there at the show.
• Get a feel for the outfitters favorite type of hunting and find
out if it matches what you are looking for.
• Ask about the experience of his team and the scouting his
team does pre-season.
• Ask for a list of references on the spot.
• If this outfitter is offering a show deal that you are interested
in, and you want to get in on this deal, ask him for 7 days to check
his references and have him put it all in writing.
• ALWAYS check his references!!!!!
• Ask questions, everything you can come up with! If the
outfitter is busy, be willing to ask him to make an appointment to
spend 20 to 30 minutes with you after the show or have him call
you later in the evening.
• Remember that the outfitter want to talk to as many people as
possible so have your list of questions ready and don’t waste his
time if you are not interested in truly booking a hunt. Don’t be a
tire kicker, unless your willing to purchase.
• Ask about success rates and opportunity rates for the game
you are seeking.
• Ask if there are any trophy fees or hidden fees.
• Ask about trophy preparation and meat care.
• Ask about group rates and/or bringing a friend or
cameraperson.
• Always be very honest with him about your expectations and
your physical limitations and demands for your hunt. Will he work
with you or is the outfitter dismissive about your concerns?
• Ask about tipping his staff and what their expectations are for
a successful and unsuccessful hunt.
Attitude
The difference between a successful hunt and an unsuccessful trip
often boils down to attitude. Sometimes it is the attitude of the
outfitter and the guides that makes or breaks a trip for a client but
more often then not it is the attitude of the client that makes or
breaks a trip. Your attitude on every day of your trip can be the
extra boost that you need to be successful. Whether you are sitting
on a whitetail stand or running up the mountain chasing a bugling
elk it is your happy positive attitude that will help you get there.
Remember, you are out there for the adventure, to be in the wild,
for the thrill of the hunt. After several years of outfitting I can
honestly state that those that came into camp with a positive can do
attitude always left camp happy and relaxed whether they got game
or not. These hunters took tons of pictures, had fun and learned
about themselves and the animals they were pursuing. They made
friends with the other hunters and the guides and if they got lucky
and got a trophy they smiled even larger then they had all week.
My favorite trip into the wild was with an outfitter in Idaho. For that
week we both had such a contagious attitude that we were going to
run into the elk of our dreams that we pushed each other to the
ends of the territory and covered over 100 miles on horses and on
foot in the week. We never saw an elk in all 7 days but I never had
more fun. During the week the temperature continued to drop and
ultimately the snow fell to a total of 27 inches. On the way off the
mountain on the final night of the hunt, we were all yelling into the
mountains, “It just doesn’t get any better!” and we truly meant it.. It
was the trip of a lifetime!!!
Tipping
Tipping is a choice that hunters make to pay for the extra service
for that you receive from the guides that help to make your trip
successful. Guides from reputable outfitters should be paid very
well and should not have to rely upon tips to survive. Tips are an
added bonus and certainly are appreciated by the guides, packers
and the cooks. A general rule of thumb is that 5- 15 percent of the
hunt price is a more then fair rule for hunting with the 15 percent
going for truly exceptional service that was above and beyond in
every way possible.

Questions to ask the outfitters you are
considering.
• What types of hunts do you offer?
• How experienced are the guides?
• How many hunters per guide?
• Will my group be split up?
• Could I be added to another group?
• What is the entire cost of the trip including all license fees,
access fees and additional trophy fees?
• What deposit is required?
• What is the cancellation policy?
• Can you provide me with a copy of your contract?
• What methods of payment do you accept?
• Do you provide any references or referrals from other clients?
• May I call them?
(If the answer is no here, hang up the phone and do not book
a trip with this outfitter)
• Do you furnish transportation from the airport, or must I?
• What type of transportation is provided?
• How far is the nearest airport?
• What airlines service that airport?
• Will I be need to rent a car?
• Where will I be staying? Lodge, hotel, tent, etc...
• How many guests to a room or tent?
• Can my group share a room or tent?
• What is supplied? Food, sleeping bag, linens, electricity, etc...
• What meals, if any, are provided?
• What is the quality of the food? Sandwiches and chips or
grilled steak and steamed veggies?
• How do you handle clients with special dietary needs?
• Is alcohol allowed?
• Are the guides and staff allowed to drink?
• How much travel is involved from the lodge to the hunting
area?
• How has the hunting been lately?
• What game have you been seeing?
• What was your largest animal taken last year during archery
and rifle season?
• Have they been active?
• When is the peak of the rut for your area?
• What type of weapons can be used?
• How large of an area will I be hunting?
• What are your success statistics for the type of hunt I am
interested in booking?
• Who cares for the game?
• Who will be responsible for butchering?
• Is there a local taxidermist I can call or do I need to make
arrangements to bring the game home?
• Who obtains the license?
• Will you be providing me a copy of the game and fish
regulations
• Can it be purchased locally?
• How much are the tags and license fees?
• Can ammunition be purchased locally?
• Will I be able to site in my weapon?
• What physical condition must I be in?
• Is this a fully guided hunt?
• What kind of weather must I prepare for?
• What kind of camo is best for your area?
• Do your guides all carry maps and gps units?
• Do you have a satellite phone in each camp?
• Will I have access to the phone if need be for a fee?
• What are your safety regulations?
• Can you provide me a list of your gear recommendations?
• How much gear am I allowed to bring into camp?
This is an ever growing list of questions, please do not hesitate to
ask any questions that you feel are necessary to know the answers
to assist you in making the right decision in choosing your outfitter.
Questions to ask references about the outfitter
you are considering.
• Would you hunt with this outfitter again?
(If the following question is no, do not book with this
outfitter)
• What was your hunting trip like with this outfitter?
• Did you get an opportunity for a shot at game?
• If you were picked up at an airport, how was the service? Was
the outfitter on time?
• Were you allowed to site in your rifle before the hunt? Did the
outfitter have an archery target in camp for daily practice?
• Were the accommodations clean and organized or was the
camp run smoothly and efficiently?
• Was the outfitter prepared to put you on game the first
morning of your hunt? Did they know the area and where the
game was?
• Was the outfitter prompt in picking you up from a hunting site
at the end of a morning or evening?
• What was the quality of the food? Was there enough to go
around?
• Did you have access to showers and clean toilets?
• What were game populations like?
• What was trophy quality like and did you see quality animals?
• Did trophy quality match your expectations?
• How would you rate the guide's experience and knowledge of
the land you hunted?
• How would you rate the guide's hunting skills?
• Did the outfitter run a safe operation and did you feel safe?
Was there first aid kits readily available? Was there a safety
plan in place?
• Did you feel this outfitter ran a law abiding operation? Were
all game laws followed?
• What was the success rate while you were in camp?
• If you were the outfitter what one improvement would you
make?, what would it be?
• Who specifically was your guide and cook? How long had they
been working for the outfitter?
• Do you know the name of another hunter in camp I might call?
Websites I recommend:
www.rmef.org
www.elkcamp.com
www.worldclassoutdoors.com
www.macadventures.com
WWW.WORLDWIDE-HUNTS.COM
www.safariclub.org
www.nwtf.org
www.muledeer.org
www.moosefoundation.org
www.huntinfo.com
www.huntinfool.com

And of course and especially my own website…
www.huntinglife.com
Thank you!
Kevin Paulson

blaserman

Sounds like some good advice , I have hunted around the world and by all means I am not wealthy . I work hard for my money , I turn Wrenches for a living. Always check refrences and ask for people who did'nt take animals .\Talk to then also get the outfitters side too.
As fas as Tipping I don't believe in th % rule , like me I am not rich I give what I can . Also I don't like to be told by outfitters in the forms how much to give as a tip % or amount of money. If my guide does his job and we get along grate he gets as big a tip as I can give. My ALASKA Brown Bear Hunt I saved for years I gave my guide a Browning a bolt and a Leupold Scope for a fraction of what it cost me. He paid me $400 for a .375 H&H outfit . That was his tip , brand new rifle his tip was the diffrence in what it cost me . You do the math ,Browning A bolt stainless and a compact 3 X 9 Leupold VXII gloss plex.

huntinglife

Just a quick note.. Tipping should always be in the world of "you give what you can!" I give the percentages only for a rough guideline. If you can offer someone something they truly want or need then that is much better! My first elk hunt I tipped $100.00 and a really great pair of optics and the guide had just busted his optics on the saddle horn while packing out my elk, so it was the perfect tip for him and for me!

Each and every situation is a personal choice!

BTW I am not an outfitter and not a booking agent! Just a full time writer and CEO of www.huntinglife.com and so far that pays very little!