Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
#21
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 1,061
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
Just because the meeting wasnt totally focussed on destroying the wolf population doesnt mean they skirted the issue.Tell me it isnt warmer than it was 20 yrs ago.What about less habitat? They were trying to explain that every dead elk isnt because a wolf killed it.Im sure they take there toll dont get me wrong.I dont get along with wolves either,But the feds and local DNR are not in on some kind of conspiracy against you.Listen to yourselves.Instead of the usual complaining,more people need to start playing an ACTIVE roll in the woods.Help with the winter wolf count,Get the creds you need to be taken seriously when you talk,instead of going out and reaping every year,try giving a little bit.The dnr will take any help you can offer around here.
#22
Spike
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Michigander in MA
Posts: 88
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
ORIGINAL: ShatoDavis
Wasn't there a "scientist" in alaska that said that Brown bears weren't dangerous. That was until he was eaten.
Wasn't there a "scientist" in alaska that said that Brown bears weren't dangerous. That was until he was eaten.
Not to get off topic,but the "scientist" inAlaska (Timothy Treadwell) was not a scientist. He had no formal training in science or research of any type. To the best of my knowledge, he was not conducting any research, hewas just living with the bears and filming it. Hewas a washed up actor wanna-be, recovering substance abuser, and self-proclaimed "bear whisperer". In my opinion, he was a dilusional psychotic thrill seekerwith a death wish to generate media/public attention and his actions and work should not be confused with responsible science (speaking as a former field biologist and current chemical lab researcher who hunts, fishes, etc.).
Comparing him to any other biologist is like comparing a .17round to a .460 Weatherby Magnum or an AMC Gremlin to a 2007 Ferrari......e.g. Two entirely different things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell
#23
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 144
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
ORIGINAL: furgitter
Instead of the usual complaining,more people need to start playing an ACTIVE roll in the woods.
Instead of the usual complaining,more people need to start playing an ACTIVE roll in the woods.
SSS
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 1,061
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
Have it your way clueless,I already said i dont care for wolves.Im just telling you the right way to go about it.Get yourself busted,give up your guns,someone will be happy to take your stand.
#25
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
I lived in MT and called yotes every year. LOTS of yotes. On the just west of helena I started calling in wolves. 1st it started I would see 1 or 2 every 10 trips or so. I called and told the DNR. They told me they where just big yotes.The next year I would call in wolves about every 4 trips. The yotes went to O. I would see 3 to 7 wolves at 1 time. Gess what the DNR told me There was NO wolves in that moutain range.MMMM after that winter the ranchers started to call DNR every dayabout the wolves.It took few months for DNR to get a copter to fly around and shoot the wolves.
My point the DNR could give a rats behind on what a hunter has to say. But it the boys with the big money start talking it will get fixed.
Funny how I go to jail for shooting a wolf but the DNR can fly around and shoot them.
If we are going to let wolves run the elk/deer/yotes out of the woods, than we dang sure should get to hunt the wolves.
Best thing I can say is help every rancher find ANY and ALL cows killed by wolves. Dnr will than do some thing.
Charles
My point the DNR could give a rats behind on what a hunter has to say. But it the boys with the big money start talking it will get fixed.
Funny how I go to jail for shooting a wolf but the DNR can fly around and shoot them.
If we are going to let wolves run the elk/deer/yotes out of the woods, than we dang sure should get to hunt the wolves.
Best thing I can say is help every rancher find ANY and ALL cows killed by wolves. Dnr will than do some thing.
Charles
#26
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 1,061
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
The dnr cant jump every time some yahoo with a rifle in the woods says something about what he saw.Thats why i say to go there and take the track identification class.Then what you say has teeth.You found wolves that they didnt know about,and you probobly get out in the woods more than they do.You could be a real asset.
#27
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
ORIGINAL: furgitter
The dnr cant jump every time some yahoo with a rifle in the woods says something about what he saw.Thats why i say to go there and take the track identification class.Then what you say has teeth.You found wolves that they didnt know about,and you probobly get out in the woods more than they do.You could be a real asset.
The dnr cant jump every time some yahoo with a rifle in the woods says something about what he saw.Thats why i say to go there and take the track identification class.Then what you say has teeth.You found wolves that they didnt know about,and you probobly get out in the woods more than they do.You could be a real asset.
http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/?p=787
An excerpt from that story shows how the state DNR has trouble assisting with any wolf problems...
So on the way home I called the Idaho Fish and Game to report what had happened. They were very understanding and I could tell they were sincere when they said they were sorry for my loss. They also made it clear there was nothing they could do for me and that there hands were tied. They said they would write the report, and call the federal agent.So on the way home I called the Idaho Fish and Game to report what had happened. They were very understanding and I could tell they were sincere when they said they were sorry for my loss. They also made it clear there was nothing they could do for me and that there hands were tied. They said they would write the report, and call the federal agent.
http://www.idahoanti-wolfcoalition.org/index.html
I try to sign petitons when I can and be involved as much as possible with efforts like this to try and effect some positive change.
I just use this forum to bitch about wolves
SSS
#28
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
Just because the meeting wasnt totally focussed on destroying the wolf population doesnt mean they skirted the issue.Tell me it isnt warmer than it was 20 yrs ago.What about less habitat? They were trying to explain that every dead elk isnt because a wolf killed it.Im sure they take there toll dont get me wrong.I dont get along with wolves either,But the feds and local DNR are not in on some kind of conspiracy against you.Listen to yourselves.Instead of the usual complaining,more people need to start playing an ACTIVE roll in the woods.Help with the winter wolf count,Get the creds you need to be taken seriously when you talk,instead of going out and reaping every year,try giving a little bit.The dnr will take any help you can offer around here.
#29
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 144
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
ORIGINAL: furgitter
The dnr cant jump every time some yahoo with a rifle in the woods says something about what he saw.Thats why i say to go there and take the track identification class.Then what you say has teeth.You found wolves that they didnt know about,and you probobly get out in the woods more than they do.You could be a real asset.
The dnr cant jump every time some yahoo with a rifle in the woods says something about what he saw.Thats why i say to go there and take the track identification class.Then what you say has teeth.You found wolves that they didnt know about,and you probobly get out in the woods more than they do.You could be a real asset.
uh... isn't fish and games job to monitor animal populations and movements. maybe they should put the coffee down and go do some work. i know most government jobs are cushy but come on they get paid to hang out in mountains, it should be that hard to go to work in the morning
#30
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: MN USA
Posts: 1,392
RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds
The so called "experts" are generally those who sit behind a desk and read report and "statistics" that someone with a given result they want has compiled. Of course there may be some truth in what they say. Evidence really isn't clear of such effects until the effects are very significant.
Talk to the COs and people who live in areas around Yellowstone (e.g. Dubois, WY) where wolves, grizzlies and mtn. lions (mainly the former) have dramatically dropped the Elk herd by killing the majority of each year's calves.
Oh, here in MN the wolf pack that's been hanging around the folks NE MN farm/wood lands killed another big whitetail doe last week within 100 yards of there house. 4 weeks earlier they killed another one within 200 yards. Of course both does were likely carrying fawns inside. So, that's 4 less deer. And if they carried off last year's fawns that typically would still be with the does now, that a couple more. That's only in the 10 acres immediately in their clearing. There are hundreds of thousandsof forest land all around there that the same thing is happening. And the snow isn't enough deep yet. If we get 2-4 feet in Feb.-Mar. as is often the case, it'll be bad. Sorry, no "expert scientists" happened to witness that. Just some average Joe's who've seen it happen for so many years they can't count how many fewer deer and moose there've been because of somebody in D.C.'s misguided view of an unrealistic number of large predators in somebody else's (our) backyard.[:'(]
Talk to the COs and people who live in areas around Yellowstone (e.g. Dubois, WY) where wolves, grizzlies and mtn. lions (mainly the former) have dramatically dropped the Elk herd by killing the majority of each year's calves.
Oh, here in MN the wolf pack that's been hanging around the folks NE MN farm/wood lands killed another big whitetail doe last week within 100 yards of there house. 4 weeks earlier they killed another one within 200 yards. Of course both does were likely carrying fawns inside. So, that's 4 less deer. And if they carried off last year's fawns that typically would still be with the does now, that a couple more. That's only in the 10 acres immediately in their clearing. There are hundreds of thousandsof forest land all around there that the same thing is happening. And the snow isn't enough deep yet. If we get 2-4 feet in Feb.-Mar. as is often the case, it'll be bad. Sorry, no "expert scientists" happened to witness that. Just some average Joe's who've seen it happen for so many years they can't count how many fewer deer and moose there've been because of somebody in D.C.'s misguided view of an unrealistic number of large predators in somebody else's (our) backyard.[:'(]