DM

A 7 Rem. mag. with 175NP's will out penetrate a 375 with 270 grain!! I've seen this myself numerous times!

A big bear needs to be broken down and a 7 mag. with 175 NP's will do it every time!! All you need is an expanding bullet that will drive straight and go deep preferable all the way through....

As a matter of fact, a 30-06 loaded with 200 NP's will also do it every time, and when i was hunting big bears a lot, that was my min.. gun/load that i would use...

Yes i've went into the brush after a bear that was already shot with that combo...

DM

stubblejumper

Anda 7mm shooting the 140grtsx will easilymatch the 175gr as far as penetration is concerned.Bullet construction is more important than theunfiredbullet weight where penetration is concerned.

DM

I wantall of mybullets to go through an animial as straight as possible!!! Short bullets rarely go as straight as a long bullet once it hits an animial. Of course on smaller animials like a deer it may not be aparent or even be detectable.

I've read where several users of the TSX claim "that" bullet doesn't go straight! One dangerous game hunter has quit useing them and also complained of the pedals shearing off... Looks like Barnes has even more work to do on the TSX!

I've used hundreds of NP's and seen many more used by others, soi'm notswitching from the "tried and true" any time soon...

DM

Rebel Hog

10-4, Good Buddy!

stubblejumper

Have you ever compared the length of a recovered 140gr tsx to the 175gr partition?I have ,and the partition is not longer by any means.The partition quickly sheds the front core and then carries on with about 60% of its original weight(105gr),while the 140gr tsx retains at least 90% of it's weight(126gr).Therefore the tsx actually has as much or more weight while it penetrates.When you consider the fact that the tsx is solid copper and that copper is not as dense as lead,the remaining tsx is usually longer as well.

Below is a tsx recovered after destroying a large section of elk spine.Notice that all petals are intact.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d128/stubblejumper11/PA050015.jpg

Below is a link to a report by an African professional hunter that recovered three tsx bullets from cape buffalo.Notice that he was totally satisfied with the performance.Again notice that the petals are intact.
http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1411043/m/265108935


More recovered tsx bullets.Again all petals are intact.Notice the length of the recovered bullet,despite the fact that these were light for caliber bullets.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/StoneChaser/225TSX005.jpg

bearhuntr

30-06 and up in my opinion. Though, I would have shot one with my 270 WSM if I saw one when I was sheep hunting.

DM

You make a good point BUT!!!!

If they out penetrate an NP, why are so many people recovering them??? (includeing you) I've recovered very few NP's in all of my hunting career, and yet there's picts of the TSX's all over the net!!! On top of that, many pro hunters don't like them, includeing this guy... http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/smf/index.php/topic,95937.0.html

I'm reading ofTSX's tumbleing and many other failures, so i'm not convinced just yet... I believe to be the "best" bullet for all around hunting, they need more work! In the mean time the NP's will keep on working "every time" for me and many others...

DM

stubblejumper

I have recovered bothpartitionsand tsx bullets.That is why I was able to compare them.How ever,I have recovered few of either

The tsx bullets are new ,and many people using them for the first time,are posting their findings.This is no different than the wsms getting so much attention in comparison to the standard magnums.

You have listed one person.As with any product,you can't please everyone.There are several positive reports about the tsx for every negative one.

So I take it that you are basing your judgement solely on internet stories,with no personal experience with the tsx whatsoever.I have actual experience with both bullets.



So are you saying that there are no stories of partitions failing? The partition below struck a bear,yet the front core separated,and the remainder was found where the bear was previously standing.It certainly didn't work "every time" for that hunter.

http://www.gunslingercorral.com/bearBullet.jpg

And another partition failure.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=9257

From the link above.


And yet another partition failure.

http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/akforum/akshooting_msg.php?id=27980&a=view


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DM

Heck, i've seen hunters claim there NP's were a failure! It's not hard to find it on the net... They say, it blew up!! Or, it never opened because it went on through!!

DOH!! That's what it's suposeto do!!! Expand FAST and drive on through!!

Anyway, i guess i'm just relying on my own "more than a hundred" that i've used in the fields, and never had a failure... That includes more thana moose or two, and also big bears....

As for the TSX, keep reading, there's lots of pro's out there that say they aren't "completely" reliable yet... And these guys are shooting more than a handfull of animials and they aren'twaveing the "best ever" flag just yet. These guys are shootingtough animials too, not just deer or one or two bigger animials...

I just read about a guy that shot 35 animials in Africa on one hunt, and recovered 20% of the bullets... He says they need more testing because they aren't consistant enough...

Oh well, i'm glad they are working out for you... and happy hunting with what ever you shoot...

I'm done....

DM

stubblejumper

Let's look at the examples that I gave links for.

http://www.gunslingercorral.com/bearBullet.jpg

The bullet did not penetrate at all.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=9257

Same problem.

http://www.outdoorsdirectory.com/akforum/akshooting_msg.php?id=27980&a=view

And again.In all three instances the partition did not "drive on through" at all.Or did you not even bother to go to the links and read the reports?