270 for moose
02-01-2006, 04:20 PM
#21
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
Posts: 1,964
RE: 270 for moose
by Skeeter7mm:
Lets remember local hunters have a different mentality than a hunter who is paying to hunt game that he or she doesn't see in their area. I said I used a .270win with success to both Elk and Moose here in my native province of saskatchewan. I also said I limited my shot angles, range and passed animal because of this fact...now while it hurt to go home empty when an opportunity was presented it really didn't cost me anything (travel, lodging, guide service, higher tag costs, etc). I do believe you can harvest such animals with a 270 win, etc but this doesn't make them the best choice either. For a guided hunt no doubt don't leave yourself short, most hunters I guided came with more than the animal really required but didn't want to be forced into a istuation where they either made a poor shot or let the only animal walk. Extremely understandable from a guides perspective and now equally fromthis hunters as well.
To each your own just realize the capabilities of the equipment, yourself and stick by them. If you can live with this then go for it!
Lets remember local hunters have a different mentality than a hunter who is paying to hunt game that he or she doesn't see in their area. I said I used a .270win with success to both Elk and Moose here in my native province of saskatchewan. I also said I limited my shot angles, range and passed animal because of this fact...now while it hurt to go home empty when an opportunity was presented it really didn't cost me anything (travel, lodging, guide service, higher tag costs, etc). I do believe you can harvest such animals with a 270 win, etc but this doesn't make them the best choice either. For a guided hunt no doubt don't leave yourself short, most hunters I guided came with more than the animal really required but didn't want to be forced into a istuation where they either made a poor shot or let the only animal walk. Extremely understandable from a guides perspective and now equally fromthis hunters as well.
To each your own just realize the capabilities of the equipment, yourself and stick by them. If you can live with this then go for it!
by RedRiver:
IMHO....I would recommend a sharp stick! Here is my logic.....
More game has been killed with it than any other.
It doesn't weigh very much.
It is readily available.
Very little recoil. (Provided you throw it. If you stab him with it you could get a little reverb)
As long as you limit yourself to the range you are comfortable with(i.e. don't try to stab him from a range longer than your stick)and use proper point placement, you will be satisfied with the results!!!
Just remember to get comfortable with your stick and practice sufficiently to acquire the proper confidence.
As an added bonus, when you realize that you have spent all this money, time and effort on what could havebeen an outstanding hunt, perhaps even the hunt of a lifetime, but yet had to pass up your shot due to the fact that you un-necessarily handicapped yourself by trying to use the least amount of force possible............
you can use your stick to actually do a field study as to whether that realization at that particular point in time is any more painful than a sharp stick in the eye!!!
IMHO....I would recommend a sharp stick! Here is my logic.....
More game has been killed with it than any other.
It doesn't weigh very much.
It is readily available.
Very little recoil. (Provided you throw it. If you stab him with it you could get a little reverb)
As long as you limit yourself to the range you are comfortable with(i.e. don't try to stab him from a range longer than your stick)and use proper point placement, you will be satisfied with the results!!!
Just remember to get comfortable with your stick and practice sufficiently to acquire the proper confidence.
As an added bonus, when you realize that you have spent all this money, time and effort on what could havebeen an outstanding hunt, perhaps even the hunt of a lifetime, but yet had to pass up your shot due to the fact that you un-necessarily handicapped yourself by trying to use the least amount of force possible............
you can use your stick to actually do a field study as to whether that realization at that particular point in time is any more painful than a sharp stick in the eye!!!
RR, so many will see the point of your "stick analogy" but still not consider upping their iron while upping their game being pursued in their remote/away from home big game hunting trip. Probably many reasons why,and I supposegetting into that wouldpossibly be construed as"being argumentive" and oh my, goodness gracious, gosh darn, PC land.... we sure wouldn't want to do that. Does kinda take the "juice" out of the reading though, don't you think?
02-01-2006, 06:27 PM
#22
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: Townsend, DE US
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RE: 270 for moose
A buddy I went to school with , lives in Maine now and went Moose hunting afew years ago and got an 850# moose, he was showing me the phots and I asked him what he used and he came back from his shaving kit with a 6MM casing and said 100 grain bullet, this is all I have... So shot placement is more important that caliber to a point....
02-01-2006, 09:48 PM
#23
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
Posts: 1,964
RE: 270 for moose
By EKM:
".... RR, so many will see the point of your "stick analogy" but still not consider upping their iron while upping their game being pursued in their remote/away from home big game hunting trip. Probably many reasons why,..."
".... RR, so many will see the point of your "stick analogy" but still not consider upping their iron while upping their game being pursued in their remote/away from home big game hunting trip. Probably many reasons why,..."
By RonM:
(per the friend...) "...this is all I have..."
(per the friend...) "...this is all I have..."
Of course, there areprobably some Eskimos out there that have done it with 22 cal's of one sort or another, or maybe even with the pointed stick (with good stick point placement)so I guess that must legitimize the use of just about anything, right? There always seems to be this assumptionby mosthunters that post on the Internet that they or anyone else can shoot the fleas off of a dog at80 yards freehand without harming the dog, yet how many can actuallydeliver on that kind of sterling shooting in the field? So what happens when the shooting isn't all that great, fair but not great?
A slippery slope it is...
Sub-22's anyone?
02-02-2006, 03:08 PM
#24
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 674
RE: 270 for moose
quote:
by RedRiver:
IMHO....I would recommend a sharp stick! Here is my logic.....
More game has been killed with it than any other.
It doesn't weigh very much.
It is readily available.
Very little recoil. (Provided you throw it. If you stab him with it you could get a little reverb)
As long as you limit yourself to the range you are comfortable with(i.e. don't try to stab him from a range longer than your stick)and use proper point placement, you will be satisfied with the results!!!
Just remember to get comfortable with your stick and practice sufficiently to acquire the proper confidence.
As an added bonus, when you realize that you have spent all this money, time and effort on what could havebeen an outstanding hunt, perhaps even the hunt of a lifetime, but yet had to pass up your shot due to the fact that you un-necessarily handicapped yourself by trying to use the least amount of force possible............
you can use your stick to actually do a field study as to whether that realization at that particular point in time is any more painful than a sharp stick in the eye!!!
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This needs to be saved and applied to every is it big enough thread that comes down the pipe .
My hats off for you brilliant statment.
Shane
by RedRiver:
IMHO....I would recommend a sharp stick! Here is my logic.....
More game has been killed with it than any other.
It doesn't weigh very much.
It is readily available.
Very little recoil. (Provided you throw it. If you stab him with it you could get a little reverb)
As long as you limit yourself to the range you are comfortable with(i.e. don't try to stab him from a range longer than your stick)and use proper point placement, you will be satisfied with the results!!!
Just remember to get comfortable with your stick and practice sufficiently to acquire the proper confidence.
As an added bonus, when you realize that you have spent all this money, time and effort on what could havebeen an outstanding hunt, perhaps even the hunt of a lifetime, but yet had to pass up your shot due to the fact that you un-necessarily handicapped yourself by trying to use the least amount of force possible............
you can use your stick to actually do a field study as to whether that realization at that particular point in time is any more painful than a sharp stick in the eye!!!
================================================== ==================================
This needs to be saved and applied to every is it big enough thread that comes down the pipe .
My hats off for you brilliant statment.
Shane
02-02-2006, 03:27 PM
#25
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Calgary,Alberta,Canada
Posts: 2,123
RE: 270 for moose
Moose are seriously big, but they're nowhere near as tough as an elk is.
ORIGINAL: AK Jeff
I think the .270 is just fine for moose. I'd say anything that you're comfortable hunting elk with is fine for moose. Moose are seriously big, but they're nowhere near as tough as an elk is. I prefer to pack something with a little more heat when I moose hunt, but that's just because of the potential to run into a grizzly bear.
AK Jeff
I think the .270 is just fine for moose. I'd say anything that you're comfortable hunting elk with is fine for moose. Moose are seriously big, but they're nowhere near as tough as an elk is. I prefer to pack something with a little more heat when I moose hunt, but that's just because of the potential to run into a grizzly bear.
AK Jeff
02-02-2006, 05:38 PM
#27
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rocky Mountains, Colorado
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RE: 270 for moose
IMHO, a simplistic response to a not so simple discussion which involves many variables and trade-offs.
For a capable, all round rifleman, who is familiar and experiencedwith therifle chamberings in question, the cartridge used has very little or no effect as to where the bullet will impact the animal (at normal ranges and normal conditions and similarly equipped rifles).
On the other hand, what happens AFTER the bullet reaches the impact pointcan vary quite widely between cartridges/bullet typesand isquite sensitive to the specifics of thesituation.Generally adverse conditionsat and after impact(bones, angles, penetration distance required, etc. favor heavier, well constructed, fast-for-their-weight projectiles --- physics).
The tired old comparison that attempts to "isolate" the two farthest extremes of possibleoutcome andthen tries to implysome sort of guarantee that the "leetle ity bity friendly bullet" will be square on target in the lungsand the "big bad mean magnum bullet" will most assuredly be far back inthe guts is a worn out myth ------ only remotely approaching the truthwhen incompetent riflemen enter the picture, and they are typically a problemREGARDLESS OFANY cartridge chambering ------- including the pointed stick.
For a capable, all round rifleman, who is familiar and experiencedwith therifle chamberings in question, the cartridge used has very little or no effect as to where the bullet will impact the animal (at normal ranges and normal conditions and similarly equipped rifles).
On the other hand, what happens AFTER the bullet reaches the impact pointcan vary quite widely between cartridges/bullet typesand isquite sensitive to the specifics of thesituation.Generally adverse conditionsat and after impact(bones, angles, penetration distance required, etc. favor heavier, well constructed, fast-for-their-weight projectiles --- physics).
The tired old comparison that attempts to "isolate" the two farthest extremes of possibleoutcome andthen tries to implysome sort of guarantee that the "leetle ity bity friendly bullet" will be square on target in the lungsand the "big bad mean magnum bullet" will most assuredly be far back inthe guts is a worn out myth ------ only remotely approaching the truthwhen incompetent riflemen enter the picture, and they are typically a problemREGARDLESS OFANY cartridge chambering ------- including the pointed stick.
02-02-2006, 06:15 PM
#28
Join Date: May 2004
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RE: 270 for moose
ORIGINAL: tangozulu
a lung shot moose with a .270 is a dead moose, a gut shot moose with a .338 is still a gut shot moose.
a lung shot moose with a .270 is a dead moose, a gut shot moose with a .338 is still a gut shot moose.
So, let's assume that lung shot moose makes it to the lake, where he wades into chest deep water, and subsequently dies. You now have have 1400 lbs of Yukon Moose dead in 34 degree water. You will not drag him onto the bank, it just does not happen. If you are lucky, you must strip down to your skivvies, tie a rope to him, and pull for all you are with or make a modified cumalong with some branches.
If you are lucky, you got him in about two feet of water or so, you cannot move him any furhter because the mud on the river bottom prevents it. You know have the delightful task of butchering and quartering an animal the size of a stout horse in water just a few degrees above freezing. If you are lucky, you can start a fire on the bank and warm up between butchering sessions. If you are not lucky or north of the Arctic Circle, there is precious little wood to have a fire, so you are SOL.
Never had this experience myself, thankfully, I did not have to. My buddy did it for me, I saw and heard how he felt about the experience, so, I make sure I will not repeat it.
To each their own, but a .270 is certianly no moose rifle. Maybe shiras cows, but there are far better choices if traveling up north for a trophy bull.
02-02-2006, 11:38 PM
#29
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Calgary,Alberta,Canada
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RE: 270 for moose
To each their own, but a .270 is certianly no moose rifle. Maybe shiras cows, but there are far better choices if traveling up north for a trophy bull.
I would have to agree with Magnum. Sure for Shiras moose i believe a .270 is enough but for a wintered Canadian Bull moose or any Alaskan moose a .270 just wont do the job. The size and the the amount of bone and muscle and flesh the bullet will have to pass threw is unbelieveabe. if you hit a moose in the shoulder then a rib you have about 3" of bone to pass through plus one of the thickest hides on any ungulate and all the meat on the shoulder man after boning the shoulder out you got about 20lbs of meat and the muscle is about 4 inches thick so thats 7 inches of moose the bullet has to pass through before it even hits vitals and who knows if the bullet was redirected my a rib. Im sorry but if my 30.06 with 180grain bullet doesnt even make it all the way through all the vitals i highly doubt a .270 will do the job. But like i said before i depends on the type of moose you are hunting for. But if you are coming up north you better be bringing that 7mm mag cause you just might need it.