Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
01-06-2006, 01:45 PM
#24
Fork Horn
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
If you scroll down in this link to the Hybrid section it explains several species of deer that hybridize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer
This source states that theydo hybridize and the offspring are fertile, but their survival is very limited and most die at a very young age.
AK Jeff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer
This source states that theydo hybridize and the offspring are fertile, but their survival is very limited and most die at a very young age.
AK Jeff
01-06-2006, 04:05 PM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
ORIGINAL: AK Jeff
If you scroll down in this link to the Hybrid section it explains several species of deer that hybridize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer
This source states that theydo hybridize and the offspring are fertile, but their survival is very limited and most die at a very young age.
AK Jeff
If you scroll down in this link to the Hybrid section it explains several species of deer that hybridize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer
This source states that theydo hybridize and the offspring are fertile, but their survival is very limited and most die at a very young age.
AK Jeff
The source states nothing regarding the fertility of such offspring other than an off hand quote from Darwin which is completely taken out of context and has no bearing on the species being discussed. If what this source states is true, it appears somewhat of a moot point as they probably will not survive long enough to potentially breed and then may suffer from other sources of isolation like behavioral differences.
As far as Wiki goes it is a good source of general information but an obscure question like this is best addressed using peer-reviewed literature.
I'll continue tolook for a fertility study done on hybrids, I'm certain there has been done something done it's just a matter of finding it.
01-06-2006, 05:14 PM
#26
Fork Horn
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
BA,
It actually does reference the fertility of hybrids indirectly. It says that a 1/8 whitetail 7/8 mule deer can't stot. Obviously they'd have to be fertile in order to get that degree of hybridization (F3). Here's another article that probably doesn't hold much weight either, but at least it's better than Uncle Billy Joe Jim Bob, who dun seen of them thar half-breeds down by the crick.
http://www.coueswhitetail.com/coues_biology/hybrids.htm
AK Jeff
It actually does reference the fertility of hybrids indirectly. It says that a 1/8 whitetail 7/8 mule deer can't stot. Obviously they'd have to be fertile in order to get that degree of hybridization (F3). Here's another article that probably doesn't hold much weight either, but at least it's better than Uncle Billy Joe Jim Bob, who dun seen of them thar half-breeds down by the crick.
http://www.coueswhitetail.com/coues_biology/hybrids.htm
AK Jeff
01-06-2006, 06:10 PM
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
Read the headline and was immediately drawn in.
I'm in Wyoming also and I can tell you White tail bucks will breed with Mule deer does. Game & Fish Biologists indicate it is because of the much more aggressive behavior of the White tail buck. They will eagerly and effectively run off any Mulie suiters in the area.
The offspring are deffinately sterile and cannot reproduce. Not only that, but it is common knowledge that they are a little retarded as well.
It is because of the crossbreading that many hunt areas in Wyoming will read: "Mule deer buck, or any Whitetail". The G&F want to rid the area of Whitetails and any cross breads, in order to help the Mulie propogate properly.
It is a rarity however. Mostly because White tails prefer a completely different habitat than the mulies. Generally, White tails are the same here as elsewhere. They prefer low areas around creek bottoms where Mulies prefer Elk country like open prarie sage and/or high Alpine meadows even above timberline.
Nuff said?
I'm in Wyoming also and I can tell you White tail bucks will breed with Mule deer does. Game & Fish Biologists indicate it is because of the much more aggressive behavior of the White tail buck. They will eagerly and effectively run off any Mulie suiters in the area.
The offspring are deffinately sterile and cannot reproduce. Not only that, but it is common knowledge that they are a little retarded as well.
It is because of the crossbreading that many hunt areas in Wyoming will read: "Mule deer buck, or any Whitetail". The G&F want to rid the area of Whitetails and any cross breads, in order to help the Mulie propogate properly.
It is a rarity however. Mostly because White tails prefer a completely different habitat than the mulies. Generally, White tails are the same here as elsewhere. They prefer low areas around creek bottoms where Mulies prefer Elk country like open prarie sage and/or high Alpine meadows even above timberline.
Nuff said?
01-07-2006, 07:49 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
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Not only that, but it is common knowledge that they are a little retarded as well.
Not only that, but it is common knowledge that they are a little retarded as well.
ORIGINAL: game4lunch
Mostly because White tails prefer a completely different habitat than the mulies. Generally, White tails are the same here as elsewhere. They prefer low areas around creek bottoms where Mulies prefer Elk country like open prarie sage and/or high Alpine meadows even above timberline.
Mostly because White tails prefer a completely different habitat than the mulies. Generally, White tails are the same here as elsewhere. They prefer low areas around creek bottoms where Mulies prefer Elk country like open prarie sage and/or high Alpine meadows even above timberline.
01-07-2006, 07:58 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
ORIGINAL: AK Jeff
BA,
It actually does reference the fertility of hybrids indirectly. It says that a 1/8 whitetail 7/8 mule deer can't stot. Obviously they'd have to be fertile in order to get that degree of hybridization (F3). Here's another article that probably doesn't hold much weight either, but at least it's better than Uncle Billy Joe Jim Bob, who dun seen of them thar half-breeds down by the crick.
http://www.coueswhitetail.com/coues_biology/hybrids.htm
AK Jeff
BA,
It actually does reference the fertility of hybrids indirectly. It says that a 1/8 whitetail 7/8 mule deer can't stot. Obviously they'd have to be fertile in order to get that degree of hybridization (F3). Here's another article that probably doesn't hold much weight either, but at least it's better than Uncle Billy Joe Jim Bob, who dun seen of them thar half-breeds down by the crick.
http://www.coueswhitetail.com/coues_biology/hybrids.htm
AK Jeff
Sorry about that you are correct. It'sa shame they didn't reference a source for that particular sentence.
I found that article quite a while ago, unfortunately it doesn't hold water either. He does have some interesting takes on potential cues though.
01-09-2006, 06:23 PM
#30
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RE: Whitetail - Mule Deer Cross
yeah, i accually missed (what i thought to be) a mulie/white tail cross in Montana this year. I was bowhunting on the milk river near glasgow. the deer had a white tail body, but antlers of a mulie. it was pretty neat, still dissapointed i couldnt capitalize.